[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

SUVs are boring. Doesn't matter how much red lipstick you put on them.

Never mentioned the price range. Don't care.

They're more boring than a sports car, sure. But sometimes you can't drive a sports car every day and you need a SUV. So why not drive one that's a little more exciting?

Let's be real clear here. These days all the "sports car companies" are SUV companies that also happen to sell a sports car or two. BMW is an SUV company, the majority of their US sales are SUVs. Porsche? The same deal, they exist to sell Macans and Cayennes by making you feel like it's like owning a 911. 60% of Lamborghini 's sales are the Urus.

You might not care, but if you're over 6' and have kids and a boat and a trailer and all that, you would care.

[Zyvin]

That much fender to wheel well ratio, makes it look like its riding on 13"ers.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

They're more boring than a sports car, sure. But sometimes you can't drive a sports car every day and you need a SUV. So why not drive one that's a little more exciting?

Let's be real clear here. These days all the "sports car companies" are SUV companies that also happen to sell a sports car or two. BMW is an SUV company, the majority of their US sales are SUVs. Porsche? The same deal, they exist to sell Macans and Cayennes by making you feel like it's like owning a 911. 60% of Lamborghini 's sales are the Urus.

You might not care, but if you're over 6' and have kids and a boat and a trailer and all that, you would care.

I disagree clearly. Been there done that. From experience, a cayenne/macan does not feel like owning a 911. Have no idea what you're driving at there. They make those SUVs because they sell and can dilute their fleet emissions requirements.

We have an X5D in the garage for hauling/towing. Kids and dog fit in ALL our cars. It's boring by comparison and my wife and kids think so too.

Used to just rent a truck when we needed one.

If I was a real man sized 6' with kids and a boat which I assume is on the trailer mentioned, I'd imagine I have the funds to buy more than one vehicle and have something more practical for towing duty than a tarted up Nissan Armada.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

I disagree clearly. Been there done that. From experience, a cayenne/macan does not feel like owning a 911. Have no idea what you're driving at there. They make those SUVs because they sell and can dilute their fleet emissions requirements.

We have an X5D in the garage for hauling/towing. Kids and dog fit in ALL our cars. It's boring by comparison and my wife and kids think so too.

Used to just rent a truck when we needed one.

If I was a real man sized 6' with kids and a boat which I assume is on the trailer mentioned, I'd imagine I have the funds to buy more than one vehicle and have something more practical for towing duty than a tarted up Nissan Armada.

I never said that they drove like a 911, I said they're selling you that they do. They're selling old men the dream that their Cayenne isn't just an expensive Q8, it's a 911 SUV that's easier on their knees and hips.

SUVs sell because they're convenient, spacious, and do everything for day to day use. Plus, they're typically safer in a crash, and give people better visibility. It has nothing to do with fleet averages (well, it does somewhat, because the car fleet average requirements are insane crack pipe numbers intended to force EV adoption by financial means, and the light truck ones are slightly less so). Porsche would not be around today were it not for the Cayenne, that's a fact.

Renting a truck sucks. Been there, done that. It's stupid to pay $1-2k to rent a big vehicle for a week to go on a trip, when you can just spend a little bit more and get something big enough as it is.

I've never towed with the new Armada, but I suspect it tows like the wife's Expedition, which is very, very well. It won't have the raw torque of my dad's Cummins Ram, but it's not as much of a POS to drive as a giant diesel truck.

Life is full of trade offs. I like my X5, but it isn't big enough to be a primary family vehicle. The Expedition doesn't drive as nicely as my X5, its down 250hp to my X5 probably. If you need something like Expedition or Armada, why not get a version that's better to drive? Yeah, it's not great looking in the color they picked and with all the red. It'd need to be all blacked out. But it's tough to be mad about getting an actually interesting option in a segment that has only one other interesting vehicle.