[mister2d]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Unfortunately, pure electric drive trains are where future M cars are going. I hate the idea of an M car with no internal combustion engine but in 10, 15, 20 years we will be seeing M5's and M3's with only batteries. It's inevitable and cars like the Model S are forcing car manufacturers to shift their focus, also because of global warming laws and regulations imposed by governments. We just gotta wait until the technology matures. The new 2018 Porsche Panamera 4E batteries will still only hold a charge for 30 miles of pure electric range and will take up to 5.8 hours to full charge the batteries. One day they are going to figure how to make the batteries smaller, lighter, 5x times the range and with much faster charging times. That's when we'll see electric M cars and probably pure electric 911's for that matter.

Indeed. However, the current crop of pure electric cars are cheaply made IMO. Not to mention the false sense of how "green" these cars are.

[soooma]

Originally Posted by apexlocator

You will get over this electric honeymoon stage, as I did, in a couple years

So back to gas?!
Don't see how this is gonna work when all these fossil burners will be relegated in about 10-15 years!
Norway best selling car is Electric and Tesla and 2025 is their deadline for 100% EV
Germany 2030 for 100% EV!!!!

[soooma]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Unfortunately, pure electric drive trains are where future M cars are going. I hate the idea of an M car with no internal combustion engine but in 10, 15, 20 years we will be seeing M5's and M3's with only batteries. It's inevitable and cars like the Model S are forcing car manufacturers to shift their focus, also because of global warming laws and regulations imposed by governments. We just gotta wait until the technology matures. The new 2018 Porsche Panamera 4E batteries will still only hold a charge for 30 miles of pure electric range and will take up to 5.8 hours to full charge the batteries. One day they are going to figure how to make the batteries smaller, lighter, 5x times the range and with much faster charging times. That's when we'll see electric M cars and probably pure electric 911's for that matter.

True
BTW IMHO and I maybe wrong!
Tesla P90D L with air suspension handles way better than my M5 ZCP and way faster!! Like in waaaay faster !! Mind warping speed!! I still giggle every time i floor it!! I literally saw my wife's cheeks sucked in while she's flooring it as a passenger and she never agreed to do it again!!

[soooma]

LOL
They moved it and probably appropriately so!
Not sure

[mister2d]

Originally Posted by soooma

True
BTW IMHO and I maybe wrong!
Tesla P90D L with air suspension handles way better than my M5 ZCP and way faster!! Like in waaaay faster !! Mind warping speed!! I still giggle every time i floor it!! I literally saw my wife's cheeks sucked in while she's flooring it as a passenger and she never agreed to do it again!!

[GuidoK]

Lets see if this tesla can finally beat a stock 320i on the ring....

[jpnh]

Tesla video at top....listen to drivers comments on "Auto Pilot"

"It drives a lot like a drunk person"

[soooma]

Originally Posted by jpnh

Tesla video at top....listen to drivers comments on "Auto Pilot"

"It drives a lot like a drunk person"

It does indeed and probably worse!
But what does the best german car offer to the table of of sub 3 sedan and Autopilot and Summon features and no gas?!!

[fcman]

Originally Posted by soooma

Just checked the horse power which isn't as they say 760 because 2 motors don't add to each other

And it turns out 670

I thought the official number was 532bhp combined for P90DL?

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by soooma

It does indeed and probably worse!
But what does the best german car offer to the table of of sub 3 sedan and Autopilot and Summon features and no gas?!!

Thankfully none

[mister2d]

Originally Posted by soooma

It does indeed and probably worse!
But what does the best german car offer to the table of of sub 3 sedan and Autopilot and Summon features and no gas?!!

And what's wrong with gas? It's cheap. It lasts long. And I don't have to worry about it leaving my gas tank if I have the car parked overnight, unlike a Tesla which has parasitic loss (see: vampire drain) concerns.

Originally Posted by fcman

I thought the official number was 532bhp combined for P90DL?

That is true. The folks at Tesla used the wrong math to get their original HP number.

[P1 PET]

Congrats OP. EV are the future for sure, but the problem with them is insufficient amount of charging stations here in UK and also they're still very, very expensive to buy/finance for the majority of people. Hopefully, Tesla will build much more charging stations across Europe as well. Tesla are nearly perfect cars which just need good exhaust note to be perfect. LOL.

Tesla Model S vs M4

Tesla Model S vs M3 at Nurburgring

[mister2d]

Originally Posted by P1 PET

Congrats OP. EV are the future for sure, but the problem with them is insufficient amount of charging stations here in UK and also they're still very, very expensive to buy/finance for the majority of people. Hopefully, Tesla will build much more charging stations across Europe as well. Tesla are nearly perfect cars which just need good exhaust note to be perfect. LOL.

Tesla Model S vs M4

Tesla Model S vs M3 at Nurburgring

Well, even I would take the Tesla's exhaust note over the M4's.

[SANguru]

congrats! we love ours.