[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by ramman434

This looks like a Honda Accord, and as impressive as they are, I have no real interest in electric cars. Pass

This.

If this happens to be a car I hailed to give me a ride somewhere... cool. But for my own money I expect a powerful engine, good sound and 3 pedals. For these reason electric also does nothing for me.

[Noneya]

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

This.

If this happens to be a car I hailed to give me a ride somewhere... cool. But for my own money I expect a powerful engine, good sound and 3 pedals. For these reason electric also does nothing for me.

So your plan is to stop buying new cars I assume?

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by Noneya

So your plan is to stop buying new cars I assume?

For now there are still manufacturers offering new cars with the correct number of pedals. When that goes away I will grudgingly switch to a ICE with floppy levers on the steering wheel. And when that is no longer available I’ll stop owning cars and pay a monthly fee to be hauled around by an electro-hearse. In that order.

[Noneya]

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

For now there are still manufacturers offering new cars with the correct number of pedals. When that goes away I will grudgingly switch to a ICE with floppy levers on the steering wheel. And when that is no longer available I’ll stop owning cars and pay a monthly fee to be hauled around by an electro-hearse. In that order.

Maybe someone will retrofit an electric car with a fake lever that will pipe in engine sounds for you as you press a fake clutch. This is all literally about the sound, right?

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by Noneya

Maybe someone will retrofit an electric car with a fake lever that will pipe in engine sounds for you as you press a fake clutch. This is all literally about the sound, right?

Sound, and the feel of a perfectly executed heal-and-toe downshift before turning towards an apex. Then modulating throttle and countersteer on the way out. This is the most engaging driving situation for me. I've driven all the Tesla models, and didn't come anywhere close to having that sensation at all. Total lack of driver engagement.

[Noneya]

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

Sound, and the feel of a perfectly executed heal-and-toe downshift before turning towards an apex. Then modulating throttle and countersteer on the way out. This is the most engaging driving situation for me. I've driven all the Tesla models, and didn't come anywhere close to having that sensation at all. Total lack of driver engagement.

Do you think formula 1 drivers are not engaged? They haven't had 3 pedals for a long time now.

I understand the fun factor of a manual gearbox, but I'm not buying justifications beyond "I like doing it just because it's cool".

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Noneya

Do you think formula 1 drivers are not engaged? They haven't had 3 pedals for a long time now.

I understand the fun factor of a manual gearbox, but I'm not buying justifications beyond "I like doing it just because it's cool".

None of us are F1 drivers, where those milliseconds on the shifts etc actually matter. If you enjoy driving a sports car on a twisty then there is a real satisfaction you get from shifting your own gears, I think it makes the whole experience more engaging. If you like paddle shifters then cool, but lots of folks enjoy the experience of a manual.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Noneya

Do you think formula 1 drivers are not engaged? They haven't had 3 pedals for a long time now.

I understand the fun factor of a manual gearbox, but I'm not buying justifications beyond "I like doing it just because it's cool".

Life long manual transmission owner 1M+ driven miles, and drove professionally in city traffic. Took my driver's license test in a manual trans car.

So my opinion is MOST manumatics in the current vehicle fleet for sale are not millisecond-shifting DCT, but are computer-controlled torque converter automatics. The point of shifting yourself is, as the driver, you can see the road and traffic environment and decide when and what gear you want to use to make the driving move you want to make. In auto mode, no manumatic can emulate that level of driver control. So if you drive like I do, which is fully engaged in the driving activity and use the lack of other drivers attention to their environment to gracefully make your way through traffic, you need to keep a manumatic in manual mode. MOST manumatics still suck at shifting manually (read as SLOW and less precise), so my preference is to use a 3rd pedal and shift when and how fast I want to at ANYTIME I want.

The art of street driving is profiling the cars and drivers around you (i.e. part of the driving environment), so that you can better control the situation. As Murf said, who gives a shit about millisecond shift speeds for street driving.

One man's opinion and preference.