[ferrix924]

Hey guys - I know this belongs in the cosmetic sub-thread but wanted to post here for visibility. I’m getting my entire car wrapped in Xpel Ultimate Plus PPF. Also thinking about getting a ceramic coating on top the the PPF. What brand ceramic do you recommend and think is best? Thanks in advance

[DAlby18]

It's funny I only hear about Xpel on this forum and nothing about kavacha? Apparently Kavacha has a pod with 9h already on it. Has anyone had this done? This was the route I was thinking about going.

[AndroidRobot]

Originally Posted by DAlby18

It's funny I only hear about Xpel on this forum and nothing about kavacha? Apparently Kavacha has a pod with 9h already on it. Has anyone had this done? This was the route I was thinking about going.

the hardness is irrelevant because all coatings still scratch that I've seen used on cars. Ceramic coatings can help with cleaning but I don't count them as protection. I've had countless cars coated with just about every major brand out there. Some are better than others in terms of reducing cleaning time but none are what is consider game changing. Feyn labs does have a self healing coating which is pretty good though.

[kjx]

Originally Posted by AndroidRobot

the hardness is irrelevant because all coatings still scratch that I've seen used on cars. Ceramic coatings can help with cleaning but I don't count them as protection. I've had countless cars coated with just about every major brand out there. Some are better than others in terms of reducing cleaning time but none are what is consider game changing. Feyn labs does have a self healing coating which is pretty good though.

^ This.

PPF = protection from rock chips, scratches and swirl marks.
Ceramic = a permanent waxed look (when clean), protection from things like bird droppings. Ceramic wears off over time too - polishing scrubs it off.

Ceramic is not a substitute for PPF. Not even close.

Should you have ceramic over PPF? Most people get it because the cost over PPF is negligible. I think you can get by if you wanted to skip it after getting PPF.

Source: I have PPF + ceramic on many surfaces on two cars. And just ceramic on other surfaces. I will be getting full body PPF and ceramic on the M4 when it arrives because panels with PPF have held up flawlessly while the ceramic only surfaces are not as perfect as they started off when looked at up close.

[The Dad]

Originally Posted by ferrix924

Hey guys - I know this belongs in the cosmetic sub-thread but wanted to post here for visibility. I’m getting my entire car wrapped in Xpel Ultimate Plus PPF. Also thinking about getting a ceramic coating on top the the PPF. What brand ceramic do you recommend and think is best? Thanks in advance

I am getting an M4 Comp xD, will have a full Xpel stealth on all AW panels and components, with a Xpel gloss on all other surfaces. Will be adding a Gyeon over the top as I live on the coast and have a lot of birds and bat's in the area.

[ferrix924]

Originally Posted by AndroidRobot

the hardness is irrelevant because all coatings still scratch that I've seen used on cars. Ceramic coatings can help with cleaning but I don't count them as protection. I've had countless cars coated with just about every major brand out there. Some are better than others in terms of reducing cleaning time but none are what is consider game changing. Feyn labs does have a self healing coating which is pretty good though.

Which ceramic are you going to go with? I was thinking Feynlabs self healing but unsure really. Also I tried private messaging you but I think your inbox is full!

[AndroidRobot]

Originally Posted by ferrix924

Which ceramic are you going to go with? I was thinking Feynlabs self healing but unsure really. Also I tried private messaging you but I think your inbox is full!

for any non-wrapped sections (I decided to lease so I'm not wrapping the whole car now ironically) will get Feynlabs Labs Heal (lite or Plus, I'm not sure yet). I'll clear it out, thank you for the heads up!

[AndroidRobot]

Originally Posted by kjx

^ This.

PPF = protection from rock chips, scratches and swirl marks.
Ceramic = a permanent waxed look (when clean), protection from things like bird droppings. Ceramic wears off over time too - polishing scrubs it off.

Ceramic is not a substitute for PPF. Not even close.

Should you have ceramic over PPF? Most people get it because the cost over PPF is negligible. I think you can get by if you wanted to skip it after getting PPF.

Source: I have PPF + ceramic on many surfaces on two cars. And just ceramic on other surfaces. I will be getting full body PPF and ceramic on the M4 when it arrives because panels will PPF have held up flawlessly while the ceramic only surfaces are not as perfect as they started off when looked at up close.

Thank you, I feel like this gets confusing for some people caught up in the marketing. That's why we have this great community, to keep people from making mistakes or sharing our stories.

I have a good random orbital buffer so I can easily polish things up should I need to but I prefer coating so it's not needed in essence. Using a foam cannon, 2 bucket method and fresh rinse is so much easier with a coating than without so long as it's done right.

[sf2360]

I've done xpel fusion plus on top of xpel ultimate and stealth on my raptor and x4m and currently getting xpel fusion on top of xpel ultimate on my new G82

[ferrix924]

Originally Posted by AndroidRobot

for any non-wrapped sections (I decided to lease so I'm not wrapping the whole car now ironically) will get Feynlabs Labs Heal (lite or Plus, I'm not sure yet). I'll clear it out, thank you for the heads up!

Is there any reason to get Feynlabs self heal if it’s going on top of PPF?

[AndroidRobot]

Originally Posted by ferrix924

Is there any reason to get Feynlabs self heal if it’s going on top of PPF?

not ontop of PPF, only places that aren't wrapped

[Limegrntaln]

Originally Posted by ferrix924

Is there any reason to get Feynlabs self heal if it’s going on top of PPF?

You can get swirl marks on PPF, as well, but most good PPF is self healing.

Feynlabs is a professional coating, and hard or impossible to get, unless youre a professional installer.

I've had grea success with Kamikaze Zipang Coat, which is also self healing, and you will see that most places dont want to sell it to you, either.

Esoteric is the exclusive US retailer for Zipang, at $319. I prefer to get Zipang from CarZilla in Canada. $319CAD, which, at the time of this posting, is $252 US. Plus about $12-$17 shipping, depending on where you are in the US.