[Game]

I have a reputable guy. He does plenty of high end stuff and he’s done work for my BMW store.

Pm if you want his info.

[RED99HT]

Sorry to see this happen! I would have never paid the man if that was my car.

[Redd]

I avoid precuts. 100% the edges will collect dirt and peel within 1 year. Precuts are done cos they save the installer a ton of time which allows them to price the job lower.

[KevinC]

Originally Posted by Redd

I avoid precuts. 100% the edges will collect dirt and peel within 1 year.

Not my experience at all across several cars. I must be getting quality installation work.

[jimmyf90]

Thought I’d add this image… This cut/alignment seems bad.

[Jbrown7403]

Those pics are really bad….like they didn’t even try to do it right at all. A really good job will be tucked under all painted panels so you can’t even tell at a glance. I wish you luck with a satisfactory resolution. Did you post a review? Might be helpful to the community to post the business name so that others can steer clear.

There definitely is a real art to a proper PPF job. Those folks ain’t artisans ��

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by Redd

I avoid precuts. 100% the edges will collect dirt and peel within 1 year. Precuts are done cos they save the installer a ton of time which allows them to price the job lower.

And if the job is self-trim/cut, it will peel just as fast. Just because it is a self-trim/cut and fold, it doesn't mean it won't collect dust, just because you don't see it doesn't mean the imperfections aren't there. You just don't see it. I don't know where you get that from. If they end up needing to re-do the job, they lose out just as much if they pre-cut or not.

It is the same thing. A good PPF job will show it self. Regardless of what you believe. I have seen both and I have had both. If you want your detailer to take apart all of your car just to fold the ppf into the car, only for it to peel after is up to you. Then they will trim it anyway, which ends up being the same thing. I can also almost guarantee you no self-trim will be perfect because all of the cut lines are going to be uneven to some degree.

They trim, they can damage your car, cut your paint and peel after. Which they trim away the excess part anyway.

If it is a pre-cut, it can be extremely close, it can be far off. Edges can have dust.

If you have a good detailer, that stands by his/her work then that is all that it matters. If you point out something is bad or off, they are willing to re-do and fix it. Then that is what matters. It isn't about pre-cut or non pre-cut. It is about the detailer and installer. THAT is what matters. PPF is there to protect your car, that is the primary objective. If you don't want to see the PPF, then don't do PPF and just do coating. It don't do jack against your paint being hit by pebbles or hit, but it will look great (if you know how to wash the car properly). Not to mention, most detailers/installers that "self-trim" will use pre-cut at some areas, they just never tell you. Most are the doors or big pieces that are universal. They just never tell you.

I been around a lot, a lot of detailers and all the very good ones are very upfront about how they do things.

[5_chill]

Car looked better without it.

[5_chill]

Looks like they were using your car to learn how to apply PPF.

[Westside Guy]

Originally Posted by Jbrown7403

Those pics are really bad….like they didn’t even try to do it right at all. A really good job will be tucked under all painted panels so you can’t even tell at a glance. I wish you luck with a satisfactory resolution. Did you post a review? Might be helpful to the community to post the business name so that others can steer clear.

There definitely is a real art to a proper PPF job. Those folks ain’t artisans ��

I would only start posting negative reviews after the OP has a resolution and reimbursement.

In addition, if the OP paid by credit card, he shouldn’t hesitate to dispute the amount. By doing so this will put some pressure on the shop to settle the matter.

[Westside Guy]

In addition, if this is a certified XPEL shop, they would’ve given you the 10 year warranty documents when the job was completed. The OP may wish to contact XPEL directly if this was the case and see what his options are through them.

https://www.xpel.com/warranty-information

[skyline408]

Originally Posted by Arcades

And if the job is self-trim/cut, it will peel just as fast. Just because it is a self-trim/cut and fold, it doesn't mean it won't collect dust, just because you don't see it doesn't mean the imperfections aren't there. You just don't see it. I don't know where you get that from. If they end up needing to re-do the job, they lose out just as much if they pre-cut or not.

It is the same thing. A good PPF job will show it self. Regardless of what you believe. I have seen both and I have had both. If you want your detailer to take apart all of your car just to fold the ppf into the car, only for it to peel after is up to you. Then they will trim it anyway, which ends up being the same thing. I can also almost guarantee you no self-trim will be perfect because all of the cut lines are going to be uneven to some degree.

They trim, they can damage your car, cut your paint and peel after. Which they trim away the excess part anyway.

If it is a pre-cut, it can be extremely close, it can be far off. Edges can have dust.

If you have a good detailer, that stands by his/her work then that is all that it matters. If you point out something is bad or off, they are willing to re-do and fix it. Then that is what matters. It isn't about pre-cut or non pre-cut. It is about the detailer and installer. THAT is what matters. PPF is there to protect your car, that is the primary objective. If you don't want to see the PPF, then don't do PPF and just do coating. It don't do jack against your paint being hit by pebbles or hit, but it will look great (if you know how to wash the car properly). Not to mention, most detailers/installers that "self-trim" will use pre-cut at some areas, they just never tell you. Most are the doors or big pieces that are universal. They just never tell you.

I been around a lot, a lot of detailers and all the very good ones are very upfront about how they do things.

100%!

When I get PPF for my car, I don't expect it to be completely invisible and perfect - that's just not reasonable IMO. I'm also one of the few who prefer you don't take apart the car to PPF. When I had my doors done, the installer told me they would remove the handles, and I said I prefer that they didn't do that, and they warned me there would be a thin line of no PPF inside the door handle - I was absolutely fine with that. As Arcades above mentioned, communication on how things are done is the key!

I've been to my current installer twice now with 2 different cars, I've only had to take one car back for a bubble that formed in the trunk at the seam where rain collected. They took it back, fixed it and I was on my way.

A quality job will definitely show itself, but expecting the PPF to be completely invisible and perfect on the whole car when you're inspecting closely is never gonna happen. To me as long as it's good quality job and the installer stands by their work, i'm OK with it.

[Westside Guy]

Originally Posted by skyline408

100%!

When I get PPF for my car, I don't expect it to be completely invisible and perfect - that's just not reasonable IMO. I'm also one of the few who prefer you don't take apart the car to PPF. When I had my doors done, the installer told me they would remove the handles, and I said I prefer that they didn't do that, and they warned me there would be a thin line of no PPF inside the door handle - I was absolutely fine with that. As Arcades above mentioned, communication on how things are done is the key!

I've been to my current installer twice now with 2 different cars, I've only had to take one car back for a bubble that formed in the trunk at the seam where rain collected. They took it back, fixed it and I was on my way.

A quality job will definitely show itself, but expecting the PPF to be completely invisible and perfect on the whole car when you're inspecting closely is never gonna happen. To me as long as it's good quality job and the installer stands by their work, i'm OK with it.

My shop has been doing this for years and always removes the handles. I had seen him working on many cars and felt completely comfortable with him doing it. He did advise me in the beginning that this was his process. He also warned in in that there would be a very fine line in the trunk lid where the spoiler’s curve is located. You have to look really close to see where the two sections of PPF meet.

Here is a picture of my friend’s M3 Competition being worked on with the handles off.

[3002 tii]

Amateur hour at its worst. Did you research the shop beforehand? Did they have good reviews?

[jimmyf90]

Originally Posted by Westside Guy

In addition, if this is a certified XPEL shop, they would’ve given you the 10 year warranty documents when the job was completed. The OP may wish to contact XPEL directly if this was the case and see what his options are through them.

https://www.xpel.com/warranty-information

They claim it was Llumar but never gave papers just an invoice with a line that says warranty on file.

They do this new PPF called Legend and I have suspicions that’s actually what was put on the car.