[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dfox

EV does bring things to the table for a commuter. A few things that come to my mind at the moment:
no need to stop at the gas station because you fuel up at home or your destination. No more needing to stop for gas when you're already late for a meeting, because you charged up while you were sleeping. Proactive refueling vs reactive.

Zero serviceability isn't a detractor for EV's, the service needs are basically non-existent. Brakes go substantially longer because of regen. No oil changes, etc. Just rotate the tires and check fluids. Substantially less work here, or time to go to a shop if you're not doing your own maintenance.

Basically instant heating/cooling. No need to wait for an engine to come up to temp.

No issues with frequent short trips. ICE cars don't like the 1 mile trips that we frequently take living in a suburban area. EV doesn't care.

One pedal driving really does make driving in stop and go traffic a lot less of a pain.

Higher cost, I'd argue not, as long as you are open minded about the situation. EV's are currently selling at about the same price as their ICE counterparts. That said, keeping what you already have is always cheaper. So if your ICE commuter doesn't need to be replaced, don't replace it.


I still occasionally commute in one of our ICE vehicles and have a clear vision of the pros/cons of each system. EV is definitely a more convenient commuter. It comes with limits, but they're very easy to manage.

Just quick and dirty math...

Camry LE with heated seats is $29,310. Cheapest Tesla Model 3 with tax incentives is $34,990, $5,680 more. At $3.29/gal. and using the EPA average of 51 MPG for the Camry, that's 88,000 miles before the Model 3 hits the payback point. At 15,000 miles a year, that's 6 years before any savings are realized. That's a hard sell for a parent with two kids renting a house where they are not going to drop $3,500 to get a L2 EVSE installed so they can have the magic of home refueling. Add in the home charger and the miles to payback are 140,000 and 9 years breakeven. Add the PITA to charge an EV using the public network and people dont see the advantage of adopting. That's why Americans are not buying EV in quantities to flip the market to EV.

[Sedoy]

Your math definitely checks out, but I think people interested in the Model 3 aren’t really buying it for the gas savings. The Model 3 is a RWD platform with very impressive handling, great acceleration (even the cheapest RWD model does a 1/4-mile in 13.2 seconds) and has a set of smart features unique to Tesla like autopilot, sentry mode, over-the-air updates, dog mode, and etc. There’s a reason people keep buying overpriced iPhones, even though top-tier Android phones can do similar things for much less.

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Just quick and dirty math...

Camry LE with heated seats is $29,310. Cheapest Tesla Model 3 with tax incentives is $34,990, $5,680 more. At $3.29/gal. and using the EPA average of 51 MPG for the Camry, that's 88,000 miles before the Model 3 hits the payback point. At 15,000 miles a year, that's 6 years before any savings are realized. That's a hard sell for a parent with two kids renting a house where they are not going to drop $3,500 to get a L2 EVSE installed so they can have the magic of home refueling. Add in the home charger and the miles to payback are 140,000 and 9 years breakeven. Add the PITA to charge an EV using the public network and people dont see the advantage of adopting. That's why Americans are not buying EV in quantities to flip the market to EV.

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Have you guys gotta ruin every thread that even mentions an EV? Let it go already.

lol...it sure does trigger people around here


maybe it is because I'm lucky enough, or financially irresponsible enough to have multiple vehicles. but the best daily I've ever owned does 0-60 in 3.1 seconds and is currently charging in my garage right now for penies on the dollar compared to the $5 gal gas around here...never waste time at a gas station or oil change shop either.....

I lmao when I read the ignorance on here when it comes to the devil aka EV's

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Just quick and dirty math...

Camry LE with heated seats is $29,310. Cheapest Tesla Model 3 with tax incentives is $34,990, $5,680 more. At $3.29/gal. and using the EPA average of 51 MPG for the Camry, that's 88,000 miles before the Model 3 hits the payback point. At 15,000 miles a year, that's 6 years before any savings are realized. That's a hard sell for a parent with two kids renting a house where they are not going to drop $3,500 to get a L2 EVSE installed so they can have the magic of home refueling. Add in the home charger and the miles to payback are 140,000 and 9 years breakeven. Add the PITA to charge an EV using the public network and people dont see the advantage of adopting. That's why Americans are not buying EV in quantities to flip the market to EV.

I paid $425 to install my $425 Tesla charger....Don't know where people come up with the made up numbers like $3500, but everything you read on the internet or see on youtube isn't true....

Gas is always around $5.00+ per gallon around here and many people have solar these days....Only use charging stations on occasional road trip, hardly a PITA and usually it is done charging by the time you get done buying a coffee or some fast food...

They may not be for everyone, but they certainly fit the bill for many people.

I can vouch for mine that has 50,000 flawless maintenance free miles on her