[stooken]

i might end up just getting the civic SI to play it safe. well, safe in terms of me not dumping money into the car on mods.

i know if i get the GTI then a kit, suspension and wheels are a must. i know with the civic, i'll most likely leave that stock.

[SpecC]

but the market is so much bigger for civics.... DIY or not lol

[voltron1011]

Originally Posted by spacedogg

I was seriously thinking of getting/waiting for the GTI before I got my 325i.

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I was in the exact same boat as you... I was tired of VW America delaying, and delaying the car... So, I picked up the E90 instead...
Also, I'm pretty much a RWD bully now, so there's no way I could go back to WWD (wrong wheel drive)..

[BHairsto]

I'm late to the party, but thought I would chime in. We bought an '07 GTI (DSG) for my wife, and it is INSANELY fun to drive. It feels much faster than it actually is. The turbo is noticeably laggier than in my 335, but it's not bad, and torque steer can be an issue. Otherwise, I have nothing negative to say about the car. It's very roomy for its size, handles very well for a front driver and gets great gas mileage. We got a Stage 1 APR ECU flash a few months ago, so the car should be putting out about 250hp/300 ft-lbs at the crank - this is all the power you need in a front driver of this size, and the mid-range power is pretty sick. Again, I can't express how much fun the car is to drive, and we've had no problems with it in our first year of ownership. I've been hijacking it from my wife quite a bit lately to keep the miles down on my 335 (which I plan to sell soon so I can order an M3). IMO, it would be a mistake to buy a Civic over the GTI, unless cost is an issue. Good luck!

[audiprotein]

Here is a video for u

[stooken]

Originally Posted by BHairsto

I'm late to the party, but thought I would chime in. We bought an '07 GTI (DSG) for my wife, and it is INSANELY fun to drive. It feels much faster than it actually is. The turbo is noticeably laggier than in my 335, but it's not bad, and torque steer can be an issue. Otherwise, I have nothing negative to say about the car. It's very roomy for its size, handles very well for a front driver and gets great gas mileage. We got a Stage 1 APR ECU flash a few months ago, so the car should be putting out about 250hp/300 ft-lbs at the crank - this is all the power you need in a front driver of this size, and the mid-range power is pretty sick. Again, I can't express how much fun the car is to drive, and we've had no problems with it in our first year of ownership. I've been hijacking it from my wife quite a bit lately to keep the miles down on my 335 (which I plan to sell soon so I can order an M3). IMO, it would be a mistake to buy a Civic over the GTI, unless cost is an issue. Good luck!

i do want to lean towards the GTI but here's my issue, it cost about $3k more than the SI and with that car, I HAVE TO MOD IT! i hate the stock black plastic on the candy whites. the car doesn't look right stock to me. suspension, rims and a body kit is going to be a must.

modding a car isn't something i want to get back into right now. with the SI, i know i'm not going to turn that thing into a rice rocket so i'll probably leave it alone.

Originally Posted by audiprotein

Here is a video for u

thanks. yeah its a toss up between the SI and GTI. i've read reviews with the SI ranking #1 and GTI #2.

[HLDC11]

actually i dont think gti needs much modding compare to the civic. paint the plastic body kit to match the body color or get the R32 kit.
I dont get why you have to mod it, i guess thats really up to you to decide. personally i wouldnt even consider the civic, for the 3k difference its worth it to get the gti.

[mmm def]

Originally Posted by BryGuy1086

When i drove it i didn't think that it was equal. Whats your experience?

I owned an Si and have driven both the GTI and R32..both all awesome cars. I think with the Si being a little lighter, it has a bit more nimble feeling in the corners, more tossable..and it will grip just as well as the GTI if not better..it is 250 lbs lighter.

Mini Cooper S will smoke em all in the corners

[BHairsto]

Originally Posted by stooken

i do want to lean towards the GTI but here's my issue, it cost about $3k more than the SI and with that car, I HAVE TO MOD IT! i hate the stock black plastic on the candy whites. the car doesn't look right stock to me. suspension, rims and a body kit is going to be a must.

modding a car isn't something i want to get back into right now. with the SI, i know i'm not going to turn that thing into a rice rocket so i'll probably leave it alone.



thanks. yeah its a toss up between the SI and GTI. i've read reviews with the SI ranking #1 and GTI #2.

I know what you mean about the black plastic--we have Candy White and we immediately bought the Votex body kit after purchasing the car. I've also read a review rating the Civic Si over the GTI - it really depends on your values--I prefer a torquier motor and the solid feel that slightly heavier cars provide. Squirting through traffic in the GTI is a lot of fun - something that will definitely take more effort in the Si. I'm not knocking the Si (my first two cars were Hondas and I loved them) - I just feel like the combination of performance, utility and value in the GTI is hard to beat, and the engine really is fantastic for daily driving, even without a tune.

[footie]

Civic Si vs MkV GTi
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The problem here is whether both cars are stock, personally I would have thought the Golf would walk away from the Civic but I honestly don't know.

[mmm def]

Originally Posted by footie

Civic Si vs MkV GTi
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The problem here is whether both cars are stock, personally I would have thought the Golf would walk away from the Civic but I honestly don't know.

That's a horrible launch on the Si..you really have to know how to drive it to get it fast, whereas the GTI has a boat load of low end torque and will walk away. With a proper launch it should be a very close match with my $ on the Si.

It's like the S2000..mags can get it 0-60 in 5.3 ish with a 7k clutch drop..you launch off idle and you're looking at high 6's. The Si on a perfect day is going to run mid 6's...the GTI u just mash it and go.

[voltron1011]

Yeah, someone doesn't know how to launch a high revving VTEC..

[footie]

That's were the DSG comes into play, with it you will launch perfect everything and will walk thing that you simply couldn't in a manual car. If street racing is your thing then a DSG GTi is the way to go, you will surprise a heck of a lot of stuff and earn a lot of respect along the way.

Over here the top Civic is the Type-R but they also make a Type-S which was what I thought we were discussing, the Si has in the US a Type-R engine so both are equal on power though the Golf is up on torque. It's really a case of different characters and driving styles, the Civic has to be spanked to within an inch of it's life before you will get GTi performance, where as the Golf will give you pretty close to top performance from a 1/3 of the throttle.

I personally hate the looks of the Civic and like all the things you guys hate about the Golf, I love the black honeycomb detailing but feel the Edition 30 looks even better. Handling wise I would place the GTi ahead as that is the way things are over here in the UK when comparing the GTi vs the Type-R.

Do you get the Civic Type-R hatchbatch over there, if so then why not look at it as well.

[ets335]

If you want the torque get the GTI. It has torque for days. I think that's what makes a car feel fast. The SI is good, but will feel sluggish compared to the GTI. The other part is what you prefer. You just have to get seat time behind the 2 of them. I had a 2002 Civic and a 2002 GTI, and they were worlds apart. I like the quality of the inteiror of the GTI compared to any Honda.

[stooken]

Originally Posted by henrylau11

actually i dont think gti needs much modding compare to the civic. paint the plastic body kit to match the body color or get the R32 kit.
I dont get why you have to mod it, i guess thats really up to you to decide. personally i wouldnt even consider the civic, for the 3k difference its worth it to get the gti.

well, the stock exterior on the civic looks fine to me.

with the GTI, the black plastic has to go and stock wheels are hideous. aftermarket wheels means suspension as well.

Originally Posted by BHairsto

I know what you mean about the black plastic--we have Candy White and we immediately bought the Votex body kit after purchasing the car. I've also read a review rating the Civic Si over the GTI - it really depends on your values--I prefer a torquier motor and the solid feel that slightly heavier cars provide. Squirting through traffic in the GTI is a lot of fun - something that will definitely take more effort in the Si. I'm not knocking the Si (my first two cars were Hondas and I loved them) - I just feel like the combination of performance, utility and value in the GTI is hard to beat, and the engine really is fantastic for daily driving, even without a tune.

unbelievable how much the votex body kit costs! i'll just go get some seat time in the GTI.

Originally Posted by footie

Civic Si vs MkV GTi
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The problem here is whether both cars are stock, personally I would have thought the Golf would walk away from the Civic but I honestly don't know.

those guys sound like morons

[AcMilan714]

Does 320 plus tax sound good for a base model gti blk/blk 24mnth lease 12k miles a year. $0 down?

[Krueger///M3]

Originally Posted by stooken

i do want to lean towards the GTI but here's my issue, it cost about $3k more than the SI and with that car, I HAVE TO MOD IT! i hate the stock black plastic on the candy whites. the car doesn't look right stock to me. suspension, rims and a body kit is going to be a must.

modding a car isn't something i want to get back into right now. with the SI, i know i'm not going to turn that thing into a rice rocket so i'll probably leave it alone.



thanks. yeah its a toss up between the SI and GTI. i've read reviews with the SI ranking #1 and GTI #2.

They have a pretty awesome aero kit from the factory for like a k or so. It makes the black plastic painted, I also am not a big fan of the black plastic but it looks really good.

[flyinb501]

My sister owns one, and I really like it. The 2.0T is a great motor and the car is pretty quick stock. For the money it is a great car.

[BlackSapphireZ]

that GTI in the vid was def chipped... if it was completely stock, it would be neck and neck. and i guess driver also matters


Civic SI
-VTEC(stays in VTEC range when shifting at 7500rpm or higher)
-Lighter
-handles better
-long term better resale value

GTI
-nicer interior
-availability of DSG
-cheaply modifiable($500chip=50hp ish)

my SI (rolling start)

[mmm def]

Thanks for the vid man.

I didn't want to be this guy..but if I saw you rip past my house at 100 I would be PISSED! That looks like a residential area.

Anyway..Si sounds great!

[valdeztke]

I have an 08 GTI that you are more than welcome to buy at a discounted rate

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124950

Oh DSG FTW