[jphcbpa]

Originally Posted by rccarps2

Middle of August I believe (15th?).

At pebble beach

[Rossocorsa]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

I feel the G90 M5 was designed with M Division having one arm tied behind their back. Never mind that battery technology today is still not where it needs to be, but there was one of 5 directions that the G90 M5 could have gone:

1. Fully Electric
2. Performance Hybrid
3. Full ICE
4. Retro
5. Plug In Hybrid

1. Fully Electric: The M5 could have had 1,000+hp but with a range of probably less than 240miles on the US EPA cycle. That wouldn't have worked, especially given how each country has different charging infrastructure, and with the USA still being far behind many other developed countries.

2. Performance Hybrid: The latest 992.2 Porsche 911 being the prime example here, or the Chevy Corvette E-Ray. Electric turbos, small battery, smaller lighter electric motors that supplement the ICE engine instead of try to make up for the ICE engine, all while keeping the weight of the car down, but no all electric range. This wouldn't have worked for BMW because this setup hardly effects CO2 emission cycles.

I would much rather see a fully electric M5 sedan with straight line performance of a Tesla Plaid and the dynamics of an F90. If BMW were willing to innovate, a perfomance hybrid would have been incredible for the new M5. Wider and higher torque and hp bands, add minimal weight and instant throttle response all while keeping the V8 with a single larger turbo.

Instead, we get the worst of both worlds. For some reason, a V8-hybrid with a detuned ICE engine attached to 1000lb heavier car, rear-wheel steering and torque vectoring to "hide" the weight. I'm sorry, you can't really hide the weight of the F90, so I can't imagine how you will try to hide the weight of the G90. Those poor tires and shocks..

Ultimately, BMW knows the G90 isn't going to sell well, it is priced so low, barely above the F90 non-comp MSRP.

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by Ilyam5

I can’t believe bmw did not learn their lesson on xm. Car does not sell at all. Even with 20k incentives they can not move any of them
Instead they double down and make a sedan version of that

The automotive industry has lead times measures in years. Be the time they realized the XM is not selling well the M5 Design and specs were well locked in. The only other option was axing it alltogether, but why bother if they have the drivetrains anyway and the 5er to build upon?

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by swanson

Exactly. Some dont remember when they were discounting them at the beginning then BMW stopped producing them and the sheep were willing to pay full price or more for the ones available/incoming.

Exactly. Still can’t believe there was ADM on them.

[mirob]

Originally Posted by Vervain

The Carwow video said that there’s no plans from BMW for a competition version

Fudge.

[aaaaah]

Originally Posted by swanson

5400lbs! Thats only 400lbs less than my F150 Raptor. "But, but..."

Based on my quick searching, it weighs more than a new i5 M60!

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by aaaaah

Based on my quick searching, it weighs more than a new i5 M60!

This.

[playswcars]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

This.

Ouch

[Mavus]

I can’t help it but compare weight to F80 at -1800 lbs. There is another car hiding in that M5

[odooley81]

I was under the impression M cars stood for light weight performance cars ... oh well I guess this won't be the one to get

[somer]

Guessing in the end they wont produce as many of these to give the illusion of scarcity. Trying to get people to buy M8's, i5 M50's, and XM's is like pulling teeth, the cars just don't move. M5 will be a little easier since it's priced in the realm of reality at least.

What's the best case for this car is what I ask myself and what it would look like.. G90 M5cs.. 5200lbs, 800hp, buckets, forged wheels with a 160k+ sticker, in what 2028? Car is in production until 2031 supposedly. Curious to see how the battery tech gets updated by the end of the lifecycle on this car.

[Alpine300zhp]

Originally Posted by mbanck

The automotive industry has lead times measures in years. Be the time they realized the XM is not selling well the M5 Design and specs were well locked in. The only other option was axing it alltogether, but why bother if they have the drivetrains anyway and the 5er to build upon?

This is probably exactly what happened.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by aaaaah

Based on my quick searching, it weighs more than a new i5 M60!

The wagon will weigh even more.

[S EyeLand]

Originally Posted by ThesaVeliona

This looks very impressive. I'm excited to see one on person. Can't wait for F90 simps to say ''it weights 4 tons!!!! m5 is ruined!!!!'' like as if M5 was a Cayman S fighter since E28.......

you ok?

[S EyeLand]

I really like it. The F90 is honestly too fast already for the streets. The G90 didn't need to be any nimbler or faster. I'm looking for a better interior and smoother ride in the G90 over the F90. I will be getting one in 26. I wish they would make a 7 series M, similar to the Mercs S63. Thats where I'm at now in life with 2 little guys. If I want something to toss around, I'd buy an M3 or p-car instead. Happy with the direction on the M5.

[ThesaVeliona]

Originally Posted by S EyeLand

you ok?

Why would you think I'm angry? I'm quoting F90 simps. Simps that totally didn't hate the F90 for being AWD back in 2017.

[S EyeLand]

Originally Posted by ThesaVeliona

Why would you think I'm angry? I'm quoting F90 simps. Simps that totally didn't hate the F90 for being AWD back in 2017.

oh

[Yeru]

Originally Posted by Rossocorsa

I would much rather see a fully electric M5 sedan with straight line performance of a Tesla Plaid and the dynamics of an F90. If BMW were willing to innovate, a perfomance hybrid would have been incredible for the new M5. Wider and higher torque and hp bands, add minimal weight and instant throttle response all while keeping the V8 with a single larger turbo.

Instead, we get the worst of both worlds. For some reason, a V8-hybrid with a detuned ICE engine attached to 1000lb heavier car, rear-wheel steering and torque vectoring to "hide" the weight. I'm sorry, you can't really hide the weight of the F90, so I can't imagine how you will try to hide the weight of the G90. Those poor tires and shocks..

Ultimately, BMW knows the G90 isn't going to sell well, it is priced so low, barely above the F90 non-comp MSRP.

Agree you can’t “hide the weight” but M have a good track record of hiding it in spite of modern “porker” dimensions. Regarding the natural stress on tires and shocks, the stress testing they do mitigates that with improved materials, I assume. Ze Germans can’t help being German. 😉

[zamboni]

Originally Posted by Mavus

I can’t help it but compare weight to F80 at -1800 lbs. There is another car hiding in that M5

Keeping my F80.

[S EyeLand]

Originally Posted by beaups

0-60 a half second slower than the f90 and their acceleration selling point is how fast it does 50-75 in the wrong gear? This is even worse than I imagined (and I was expecting bad). What a pig. So sad.

The F90 was faster than its on paper 0-60, maybe this is too?

[beaups]

Originally Posted by S EyeLand

The F90 was faster than its on paper 0-60, maybe this is too?

Probably. But the F90 “on paper” time is still faster than the G’s.

[swanson]

Tires and brakes are gonna be changed often due to the extra weight. Gonna be a pricey car to own/maintain.