[inTgr8r]

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,......




No surprise that nothing has changed here while I've been away.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,......




No surprise that nothing has changed here while I've been away.

Hey tiger nice of you to visit once in a while heheh

[Foghorn]

Well that puts paid to VER for trying to play both sides of the coin. He runs HAM wide on the first lap but then expects room on the outside from HAM. VER is just a collision waiting to happen, others drivers took the curbs to avoid an accident, instead VER takes out HAM and took points off him.

This isn’t likely the last collision for VER the way he drives.

[gatorfast]

From an amateur fan eye (mine) I would definitely put the blame on max for that one. Lewis was ahead at all times and in a tight chicane it would be unnatural and very difficult for him to veer all the way to the outside. If max was even with him there would be more of an argument for Lewis to move over but Lewis was clearly in front.

Max was carrying much more speed into the corner and thought he could sneak his way ahead with Lewis just leaving the pit but Lewis defended it well.

[msk340i]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Some of the stewards are older GP drivers whose cars were completely different in their time, in fact an expert poster on here commented earlier that Brundle,an ex F1 driver, was putting the blame round aboutly on Ham for an avoidable accident.

Look, they’re the fastest and smartest racers in F1 currently and they both can read each other and they know what they’re doing. They both knew what it meant going into the chicane and they both knew the outcome. The penalty is a by-product and not the real issue. The real issue is that instead of sportsmanship and hard wheel-to-wheel racing we’re getting a 51 G impact with one and a tire almost killing the other. I’m really really pissed that Max had his car on top of Ham and his foot on the gas! Just like I was pissed when Ham didn’t seem (to me at least) to care about Max’s impact in Silverstone.

[Datka]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

From an amateur fan eye (mine) I would definitely put the blame on max for that one. Lewis was ahead at all times and in a tight chicane it would be unnatural and very difficult for him to veer all the way to the outside. If max was even with him there would be more of an argument for Lewis to move over but Lewis was clearly in front.

Max was carrying much more speed into the corner and thought he could sneak his way ahead with Lewis just leaving the pit but Lewis defended it well.

Lewis didn't have to defend anything, he was ahead turning into the corner and was on his racing line when Max broke late and was alongside Lewis only at the apex when it was too late for two cars to be in that spot.
Anyone who has raced at any level or even driven on the track competitively knows that if you are alongside a car approaching the corner, that corner belongs to the inside driver.
Max was outside forcing his position into a tight spot after very late braking and he simply chose to take his main competitor out and maintain the leading championship position.
Did he expect a point by from a raining champ?
I am not even a fan of Lewis but how can anyone blame him in this situation is beyond me.
I am going to say that Max is a very talented and fast driver, but he is also the dirtiest driver out there and he knows that the only way he can beat Lewis is by dirty tactics. Period.

[M-technik-3]

Just watched the highlights, damn this seemed to be the best action race of the season. I spent morning kayaking should have watched race.

[Ngilbe36]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,......




No surprise that nothing has changed here while I've been away.

Just block them. The forum is so much more enjoyable.

[Ngilbe36]

Something other than the back and forth drivel...

Having watched the post session interviews from Friday and Saturday, Ric's disposition was surprisingly positive and it really seemed like he knew he was going to win. I thought during each it was odd how giggly confident he was about their chances this weekend and then it happened..The 1,2. I cannot get over how strange it is/was. I'm a McLaren fan first, but it is pretty sus.

[NickyC]

Watching that wreck, the first thing that popped into my mind was I couldn't wait to read the comments here haha.

To me, it was a racing incident but if fault is to levied it's on Max. I like Max such as many of you here, but Sir Lewis had that corner and Max pushed it. The stewards are correct.

[VeloF1]

Originally Posted by Datka

Lewis didn't have to defend anything, he was ahead turning into the corner and was on his racing line when Max broke late and was alongside Lewis only at the apex when it was too late for two cars to be in that spot.
Anyone who has raced at any level or even driven on the track competitively knows that if you are alongside a car approaching the corner, that corner belongs to the inside driver.
Max was outside forcing his position into a tight spot after very late braking and he simply chose to take his main competitor out and maintain the leading championship position.
Did he expect a point by from a raining champ?
I am not even a fan of Lewis but how can anyone blame him in this situation is beyond me.
I am going to say that Max is a very talented and fast driver, but he is also the dirtiest driver out there and he knows that the only way he can beat Lewis is by dirty tactics. Period.

Maybe. Yet, I respectfully disagree. Plus, You didn’t mention Lewis just exited pits on cold tires and should have given a bit more room.

Regardless, this is racing and a close call like that doesn’t deserve a penalty.

[inTgr8r]

Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

Just block them. The forum is so much more enjoyable.

I did that a long time ago, but missed having a good laugh.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by VeloF1

Maybe. Yet, I respectfully disagree. Plus, You didn’t mention Lewis just exited pits on cold tires and should have given a bit more room.

Regardless, this is racing and a close call like that doesn’t deserve a penalty.

Agree 100% it should be a racing incident, the stewards overreacted to this walking pace clanger.
With the cold tyres Ham knew Max had more grip and should have given more room instead of closing eyes and hoping for the best.. something the kneeling chaps' fans don't take into account.

[yco]

what an epic day for McLaren!! well done for both of them!

and for Lewis vs. Max..

when Lewis has no space to stay in the turn.. no crash just like in the first lap.. when Max has an imaginary space in his head thus no space.. he hits in to Lewis' car.. anyone cant see this.. there is no point even to argue.. its BS..

Max has to learn to race fair.. he thinks he can push anyone out easily.. but everyone has to give him plenty of room.. its pretty childish..

[M5Rick]

Okay then lets go back to Suzuka '89. Senna's attempted overtake on Prost, last I looked most of us were of the opinion that Prost turned into Senna knowing he was there and YOU backed Senna especially when Prost went to see his friend Balestre. ''If I see a gap I go for it or you are not a race driver'', so what's changed now.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by yco

what an epic day for McLaren!! well done for both of them!

and for Lewis vs. Max..

when Lewis has no space to stay in the turn.. no crash just like in the first lap.. when Max has an imaginary space in his head thus no space.. he hits in to Lewis' car.. anyone cant see this.. there is no point even to argue.. its BS..

Max has to learn to race fair.. he thinks he can push anyone out easily.. but everyone has to give him plenty of room.. its pretty childish..

*****

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

*****

We hear from Mike that the decision is from the 'incident itself' and not the aftermath of it. What on earth has that to do with him comparing the two things in the first place? Just more gobbledegook from MIB Mouse Mike to fill in the gaps.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

We hear from Mike that the decision is from the 'incident itself' and not the aftermath of it. What on earth has that to do with him comparing the two things in the first place? Just more gobbledegook from MIB Mouse Mike to fill in the gaps.

This isn't over yet . They will crash again !

Cause of the crashes are HAM's dirty tricks ..

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

This isn't over yet . They will crash again !

Cause of the crashes are HAM's dirty tricks ..

Ham is an expert at making out he's always the 'victim' like pretending to struggle in the cockpit as Max walked past wanting fake attention..if Ham was a man he'd have stopped by Max after his 51G to see if Max was alright.

[Fliplegend]

I see a lot of blaming of the drivers but both pit crews performed horribly and put them both in that position.

[yco]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

*****

mate i highly recommend for you to search why Senna said that and actually more importantly what he told about this quote a year later..

and even if you re supporting that racing drivers must go for a gap when they can.. why were you so upset on Lewis' attack in Silverstone.. there was a gap and more importantly Lewis was alongside Max before Max even before the turn starts.. and Max didnt take the turn wide.. so you re basically saying Max can go for it but others cant.. one way or another doesnt make sense mate..

[minn19]

Originally Posted by yco

mate i highly recommend for you to search why Senna said that and actually more importantly what he told about this quote a year later..

and even if you re supporting that racing drivers must go for a gap when they can.. why were you so upset on Lewis' attack in Silverstone.. there was a gap and more importantly Lewis was alongside Max before Max even before the turn starts.. and Max didnt take the turn wide.. so you re basically saying Max can go for it but others cant.. one way or another doesnt make sense mate..

This is all they ever think. As someone else said when the incident happened I couldn't wait to read the here and try and spin this that is was all HAM's fault, especially when Max did the same thing earlier in the race and Lewis bailed to avoid a crash.

Speaking of dirty tricks though, it worked as Max increased his lead in the WDC, if only by a little. But a little probably counts this year. He had to a grid penalty sooner or later so why not make the move and see if it works. If not, they are still ok.

Big question though does RBR have to pay MB for the damage now? And did Max go running to HAM to see if he was ok after spinning out on his head?