[GoneIn4Secs]

Ontario has strict laws to get one

[Grumpy Old Man]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

Ontario has strict laws to get one

To get one what?

[GoneIn4Secs]

Firearm

[Grumpy Old Man]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

Firearm

It's a pain, but not too bad if you want to take the necessary steps. A 2 day course and a background check plus an $85 RPAL licence fee. Then go on line and buy guns and Canada Post will deliver them to your house.

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by Grumpy Old Man

It's a pain, but not too bad if you want to take the necessary steps. A 2 day course and a background check plus an $85 RPAL licence fee. Then go on line and buy guns and Canada Post will deliver them to your house.

I heard there is alot of rules too like you can't keep weapon loaded in your own house?

[Grumpy Old Man]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

I heard there is alot of rules too like you can't keep weapon loaded in your own house?

There are safe storage laws, guns and ammo have to be locked up. That just common sense though.

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by Grumpy Old Man

There are safe storage laws, guns and ammo have to be locked up. That just common sense though.

I dont think there is similar laws jn the states?

What if someone break in and rob your house while youre sleeping

[Grumpy Old Man]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

I dont think there is similar laws jn the states?

What if someone break in and rob your house while youre sleeping

So the laws in the US vary from state to state. Perhaps some of the US folks could comment. In Canada the laws are the same across the country and the view is that you don't own guns to protect yourself.

Having said that, you can comply with the law and still get to your gun in pretty short order. And then you're going to need a good lawyer because you will likely be charged.

The view of the Government are that Guns in Canada are for hunting, collecting or target shooting.

[KenB925]

guns laws are a mess, the overall framework is universal (our second amendment), but that is where the arguing starts.

state laws are wildly different, but speaking in very general terms, you can buy and keep a gun in the state where you live, maybe not the gun that you want, but you can buy a gun.

beyond that there are hundreds of gun laws, and there are laws about how ‘agressively’ you can defend yourself.

I am in (the people’s republic of) California, and with a short test and a 10 day waiting period I can go buy a gun. I can transport it to and from a shooting range, and I can go shooting on some public and private land. Interestingly, CA has some of the most aggressive ‘castle doctrine’ laws that there are, you are allowed to persue your attacker in some cases, certainly not recommended.

[KenB925]

also, all but 4 or 5 counties have reasonable ccw laws

edit: maybe not reasonable, but doable

[Grumpy Old Man]

So it's interesting, CCW permits are almost unheard of in Canada. I know of a few that have been issued but rarely.

The one thing I find interesting in the US vs Canada is that each state has its own criminal laws and therefore they often vary from state to state. I guess I find it odd compared to Canada where the criminal code is universal across the country.

Our laws on firearms are a bit too strict in my view, and likely to get stricter. However, once I have a RPAL, Restricted Purchase Acquisition Licence I can order or buy guns pretty easily. Non-restricted guns, so hunting and target rifles with a barrel 18" or longer I can walk into a gun store and buy or order and have it shipped and it will be here the next day. Restricted, so rifles with less than 18" barrel and hand guns with longer than 4 1/4" barrels take a few days longer as the CFO, Chief Firearms Officer must process the sale and registration of the firearm. Theres been a backlog lately so it takes about 10 days but normally faster. I think the backlog is because there is fear the government is going to place more restrictions on handguns so I think folks are buying them up now. That reminds me, I need to get the wife .357 ordered.

[N54Yankee]

Grump, just curious, you're a retired cop, do those same ownership parameters apply for citizens who aren't/weren't LE?

[Grumpy Old Man]

Originally Posted by N54Yankee

Grump, just curious, you're a retired cop, do those same ownership parameters apply for citizens who aren't/weren't LE?

The laws are the same for everyone. Background checks, references etc. However when you're on the job it's kind of strange, at least I always thought so. You get trained and issued your weapon. No licence, no paperwork to carry etc. You have your badge and that's it. When you retire, they take your gun back and give you a badge that shows you're retired. If you want to buy guns you have to get a licence (RPAL). If you want to buy guns while you're on the job you have to get an RPAL as well.

[paliknight]

Originally Posted by Run Silent

I live in Tennessee. We regulate guns to about the same extent as chewing gum.

We also have a CCW permit process that is a one page form you mail in and then receive a lifetime permit that doesn't need to be renewed.

Originally Posted by Grip Addict

What brand do you guys use for defense or range?

For me:
- Defense: SigSauer or Hornady Crit Def
- Range: Fuccini or Federal Walmart Special

Same for defense but mostly American eagle or S&B for range

[paliknight]

Originally Posted by Run Silent

I live in Tennessee. We regulate guns to about the same extent as chewing gum.

We also have a CCW permit process that is a one page form you mail in and then receive a lifetime permit that doesn't need to be renewed.

That's one of the main reasons I moved to the south! (From communist New York)

[Rhidium]

Originally Posted by Grumpy Old Man

So it's interesting, CCW permits are almost unheard of in Canada. I know of a few that have been issued but rarely.

The one thing I find interesting in the US vs Canada is that each state has its own criminal laws and therefore they often vary from state to state. I guess I find it odd compared to Canada where the criminal code is universal across the country.

Our laws on firearms are a bit too strict in my view, and likely to get stricter. However, once I have a RPAL, Restricted Purchase Acquisition Licence I can order or buy guns pretty easily. Non-restricted guns, so hunting and target rifles with a barrel 18" or longer I can walk into a gun store and buy or order and have it shipped and it will be here the next day. Restricted, so rifles with less than 18" barrel and hand guns with longer than 4 1/4" barrels take a few days longer as the CFO, Chief Firearms Officer must process the sale and registration of the firearm. Theres been a backlog lately so it takes about 10 days but normally faster. I think the backlog is because there is fear the government is going to place more restrictions on handguns so I think folks are buying them up now. That reminds me, I need to get the wife .357 ordered.

In the US, there's Federal level laws and then state level laws. States like Texas would be more friendly to firearm owners, but places like California they would not. I'd love it if they did it only on a Federal level, but local politicians think they know better and love to push anti gun laws down our throats. Problem with lots of these politicians is that they fear the gun and haven't even really touched it unless it was a photo op. If they understood guns and didn't like it.. I would highly respect their opinions. Unfortunately many of them don't have my respect.

[Rhidium]

To continue down the path of oldest guns..
My oldest in my collection would be a Sig P220. Love the gun, but rarely take it out.
I tend to use my S&W M&P 9C because it's my carry gun and it's so accurate.

Oldest gun in my collection would be a 1982 (originally police issued) H&K MP5.

My favorite collector items are either my Magpul MPLA lower or my complete KAC Xmas lower set.

[1MOREMOD]

I have yugo sks, pre b cz75 and browning hi power not sure of age of them.

[jimbobiggens]

Originally Posted by Run Silent

I live in Tennessee. We regulate guns to about the same extent as chewing gum.

We also have a CCW permit process that is a one page form you mail in and then receive a lifetime permit that doesn't need to be renewed.

Yup, I love living in Tennessee. It's a very gun friendly state.

The news reports from time to time about somebody that gets "caught" with an "arsenal" of firearms in an un-friendly-to-guns state - and the wording makes me chuckle. This latest "arsenal" in the news consists of 12 firearms and a couple thousand rounds of ammo. 12? If word got out in my neighborhood that I only had 12 firearms my neighbors would be going door-to-door taking up a collection for "that poor man". 12 ain't even a good starter kit in my neck of the woods.

There is a sign in the shed at the 100 yard range at my club - "If you know how many guns you have, you don't have enough".

[rellascout]

Originally Posted by N54Yankee

Here's something interesting we can talk about. I'm curious to know what you guys have and want. What's the oldest firearm in your personal collection, preferably something that you still shoot on occasion?
Also, what's on your older arm still to buy list?

My oldest are, two M1 carbines, one is a NPM made in late '43 and a Saginaw made in early '44. Only a couple months apart in age. They make it to range about twice a year.

I am looking for the type rifle my Great Great Grandfather used during the Civil War, a Sharps rifle. They make modern copies but I'm looking for an original 1860's issue one. They're available but the prices are high and I'm shopping for just the right one. Also in the market for a Colt 1911A1 issued during WWII.

IBM M1 Carbine made in 1943-1944 It was rearsenaled with a Winchester stock and sent to Bavaria at one time.







I have Sistema Colt 1911 which was manufactured in 1951.



HRA Collectors Grade CMP Certified Garand 1954 exactly as it left the factory.







From there the res of my stuff jumps to the 60s. Browning High Powers, Colts etc....

[N54Yankee]

Beautiful trio you have there Rella. I especially like the carbine, IBM one of the premium makers, Winchester low wood stock in spectacular shape and a Bavarian return. The Germans really took care of our carbines for us while they 'borrowed' them. The Garand and Colt are very nice indeed as well.

[rellascout]

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zentanker N54Yankee

In the end it is not about the arrow it is about the indian. There is no magic bullet. There is no stopping power when it comes to handguns. Accuracy is more important that what bullet you are using. The Black Talon is ancient bullet tech by todays standards. The current Winchester Ranger T with the STX bullet replaced the old Talon years ago. The advancement in bullet tech is why everyone, like the FBI, is going back to 9mm. I will take accuracy over speed. It is all about delivering fast effective hit no matter what bullet you are using. Pretty much any of the modern hollow points in any caliber 9mm and above will be effective if you do your part.