[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

Because we're car nuts?

In that case it is you and nothing to do with the car company.
Have you seen what happened to that BMW at 1300 WHP?? Should we all label BMW M as unreliable? (bTW, after 22 years of BMWs and literally ZERO issues, I have jumped to the P side…)

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by DFW_M

Ah, I forgot, the Ford reliability record is Stellar!
What foes Fird stand for again??

Forum for International Relations Development?

Financial Instrument Reference Database?

Forensic Interview Referral Document?

Foreign Interest Rate Differential?

Just guessing.

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by chassis

Long awaited by 4Runner fans everywhere. Arguably the best vehicle ever designed, manufactured and sold.

https://pressroom.toyota.com/2025-to...eady-heritage/

2 powertrains: 2.4L 4-cylinder ICE and 2.4L 4-cylinder mild hybrid, both with 8-speed transmission.

Crap. Best vehicle ever designed?

[jnj2455]

I was too young to register what a 4Runner really was until the late 90s but this latest design is pandering hard to my nostalgia. The X5 will forever have a place in my heart but if I ever need for a boxy SUV I would take this 4Runner or a GX550 hands down.

I would like to see the reliability data on these new engines though. I've been wondering how they've been faring in the other trucks (Sequoia, Tundra, Tacoma, etc.)

[chassis]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Crap. Best vehicle ever designed?

Yes.

[jesm]

The 4Runner is the one that started this whole SUV craziness....almost every car on the road is SUV/crossover.

[NickyC]

Wow! That’s very nice looking!

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by chassis

Yes.

Are you well?

[chassis]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Are you well?

Yes.

[shimmy23]

Originally Posted by MADBMWX5MC

I hope these two bring enough power to this new beast...

"Standard i-FORCE turbocharged 2.4-liter four-cylinder engine produces 278 horsepower, 317 lb.-ft. of torque"

"Available i-FORCE MAX hybrid powertrain produces up to 326 horsepower, 465 lb.-ft. of torque"

i dont have my hopes up. all previous gens have been under powered WITH terrible gas mileage. Lets see what real world numbers this new chassis puts out!

[RM7]

Originally Posted by shimmy23

i dont have my hopes up. all previous gens have been under powered WITH terrible gas mileage. Lets see what real world numbers this new chassis puts out!

If it's not underpowered with crap mileage, is it really a 4 Runner?

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by shimmy23

i dont have my hopes up. all previous gens have been under powered WITH terrible gas mileage. Lets see what real world numbers this new chassis puts out!

What is your definition of terrible gas mileage? My 2022 Bronco with the 2.3L EcoBoost and manual transmission is averaging lifetime (8,400 miles so far) at 20.8 MPG. I'm ecstatic over that number. The more powerful 2.7L EcoBoost Bronco brings nearly as good mileage with the 10-speed automatic. I'd expect the '25 4Runner to be near the same or maybe better, though it only has a 8-speed auto.

[chassis]

Agree on the fuel economy comments. "Great" isn't that great when looking at other vehicles in the same size class.

Current and past cars in my fleet:

2005 Gen 4 4Runner 1GR-FE 4.0NAV6: 15-17 mpg
2017 W166 GLE350 M276 3.5NAV6: 20mpg day in, day out
2020 9Y0.1 Cayenne S EA839 2.9TTV6: 21mpg day in, day out

2025 4Runner pure ICE should be around 20mpg real world; similar to comparably-sized vehicles.

[RM7]

The 3.slow was definitely in the teens almost all the time.

[P1]

I've rented quite a few 4Runners and although I don't doubt they'll be reliable, I've never driven a car that makes so much to move so slowly.

[335i54n]

cant really compare a body on frame truck with a 1.5x qdr over already toyota great qdr standard to unibody passenger cars/suv. comparable would be like a venza, highlander etc, still slow but a lot better mpg

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by DFW_M

In that case it is you and nothing to do with the car company.
Have you seen what happened to that BMW at 1300 WHP?? Should we all label BMW M as unreliable? (bTW, after 22 years of BMWs and literally ZERO issues, I have jumped to the P side…)

lol you are overthinking it. A stock4Runner is boring. I didn't say it's junk

[Alfisti]

It's the most over rated vehicle ever. Reliable? 100%... but otherwise? NFI what he fuss is about. Under powered, thirsty, old, creaky, poor ride etc. I'll never understand it.

[chassis]

4Runner ownership is about reliability, utility (family truckster duty) and off-road capability. And it's a good towing platform.

And a large, loyal and enthusiastic group of owners.

[Alfisti]

99% of them haven't been seen a gravel road. It's all image, the myth is larger than the reality itself. Get a RAv4 and be done with it.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

99% of them haven't been seen a gravel road. It's all image, the myth is larger than the reality itself. Get a RAv4 and be done with it.

Not much different from 911's, M3's, etc. Won't see a day on track...might as well buy a Civic or at most a GR86. Sometimes the myth is more worthy than the reality.

[x622]

My family has a lot of 4runners and I can confirm they go a billion miles. I wish I could convince my dad to drive one of these, he'd love it. He's got over 300k on his 07' 4runner.

That thing is a tank