[Crazyotter]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

Here we go... same convo by the same people that have no intentions to buy a car like this. I'd like to know what sort of metric you all are using saying its 'slow'. Unless you have a sub 10 second car I'd keep that comment to yourself lol

I’ve never owned an M5 but I’ve owned two M8s and two G80 M3s. I was also on the wait list for the new M5 until I found out it was a plug in hybrid and gained 1000 pounds. So I am the target buyer for such cars and I have no interest in it anymore.
Again just my opinion.

[Alan l.]

I've had two X5M and F80 M3's and actually going to trade in my X5M for the G99 because of the hybrid capability. Everyone has a different needs/wants which is perfectly fine but that doesn't make something a bad product just because it doesn't align with you.

Personally I think the G80 is the ugliest M3 ever made but I don't go on that forum to express that everyday lol

Alan

[GJBFI]

Originally Posted by forcefed

Its slower than the f90 m5 it replaces, its slower than an m3, that's my metric.

A stock G90 is faster than a stock G80. I own both cars.

[Crazyotter]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

I've had two X5M and F80 M3's and actually going to trade in my X5M for the G99 because of the hybrid capability. Everyone has a different needs/wants which is perfectly fine but that doesn't make something a bad product just because it doesn't align with you.

Personally I think the G80 is the ugliest M3 ever made but I don't go on that forum to express that everyday lol

Alan

Looks aside, the G80/82 are incredible examples of performance technology.
S58 engines are masterpieces.
I also have an X5M, fucking love it 🥰

[Crazy1323]

Originally Posted by Mrproper86

Dodge demon 170 and hellcats uses the zf transmission. These cars been making well over 700hp for tears and the 170 iver 1000hp.

They are both made by ZF and are from the 8HP family, but it is not the same transmission.

The transmission in the G90 is the same as the Porsche Panamera Turbo S e-Hybrid and has the electric motor built into the transmission.

It is torque, not horsepower that hurts transmissions. That is why the Porsche makes more power (771 vs 717) but the torque is the exact same (737 lbs ft or 1,000 Nm).

[Alan l.]

Originally Posted by Crazyotter

Looks aside, the G80/82 are incredible examples of performance technology.
S58 engines are masterpieces.
I also have an X5M, fucking love it 🥰

I agree 100% on both accounts.

I still love my X5M 46K miles later. Yes its heavy but it doesn't matter one bit for me because this thing does it all.

[forcefed]

Originally Posted by GJBFI

A stock G90 is faster than a stock G80. I own both cars.

Both run low/flat 11's, for a higher end M car to run the same times is slow imo.

[imperfectluck]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

I've had two X5M and F80 M3's and actually going to trade in my X5M for the G99 because of the hybrid capability. Everyone has a different needs/wants which is perfectly fine but that doesn't make something a bad product just because it doesn't align with you.

Personally I think the G80 is the ugliest M3 ever made but I don't go on that forum to express that everyday lol

Alan

Like you, I’m also interested in the G99 for more of a long hauler in the 2026 calendar year between two homes (beats driving an F87 down south lol).

I’m not one to buy first year models especially one with the electric motor mates to the tranny. Also open to an LCI F95 but the true hybrid nature of the G90/99’s S68 appeals to my tech side.

The G8x never grew on me with time despite my love for the S58. I’ll probably commit treason one day and get the quad electric M3 .

We only live once, disposable income just makes these experiences worth living for.

[thaalrasha]

Originally Posted by Crazyotter

Is the G80 more fun to drive?
Be honest

I had both a G80 and G81 and found them incredibly dull compared to my previous F87 and F82. Incredibly enough the G90 is way more involving and less forgiving than the G8x i had. It's clear to me it's way more playful with the instant torque at anytime. the S58 you need to be high reving already to have any kind of torque, you can't just improvise a slide without preparing for it a while before as you would on the G90. The flip side is you need to respect the G90 same way as the F8x, the rear end will step out on gas easily.... and you have a big and heavy object to manage when this happens.

[TXSTYLE]

Plenty fast enough for me and Gorgeous!
The only issues I take with it.are:
No Soft Close Doors
Questionable Interior materials
More Interior Color options

All of which will probably be remedied in the upcoming LCI later this year. ✅
Plus whatever kinks need to be ironed out. So just in time for me in 2026 👍🏽

[gnx]

From Gemini 2.0 Flash:

European car manufacturers face significant fines starting in 2025 if they fail to meet the EU's increasingly stringent emissions targets. These fines are designed to push the industry towards cleaner, more sustainable vehicles and help the EU achieve its climate goals.

Here's a breakdown of the key aspects:

The Target: From 2025, the average CO2 emissions of new passenger cars sold in the EU must not exceed 93.6 grams per kilometer. This is a substantial reduction from previous targets and represents a significant challenge for manufacturers.
Calculating the Fine: If a manufacturer's fleet exceeds the target, they will be fined €95 for each gram of excess CO2 per kilometer, multiplied by the number of new cars registered. This can result in hefty penalties, potentially running into billions of euros for large manufacturers.
Individual Targets: While the overall target is 93.6 gCO2/km, each manufacturer has its own specific target. This is adjusted based on the average weight of the vehicles they sell and can also be influenced by bonuses earned from selling zero- and low-emission vehicles.
Compliance Strategies: To meet these targets, manufacturers are employing various strategies:
Increasing sales of electric vehicles (EVs): This is the most crucial strategy, as EVs produce zero tailpipe emissions.
Improving the efficiency of traditional combustion engines: This involves advancements in engine technology, aerodynamics, and lightweight materials.
Selling plug-in hybrids: These vehicles offer a combination of electric and combustion engine power, helping to reduce overall emissions.
Pooling emissions with other manufacturers: Companies can collaborate to meet targets collectively, allowing those with lower emissions to offset those with higher emissions.
Potential Fines: While the exact amount of fines will depend on how well manufacturers perform, estimates suggest that they could be substantial. Some analyses have indicated potential fines of up to €15 billion across the industry.
The Importance of Compliance: These regulations are a critical component of the EU's broader climate strategy. They aim to accelerate the transition to zero-emission mobility, improve air quality, and reduce reliance on fossil fuels.
Key Considerations:

The 2025 target is a stepping stone: The EU has even stricter targets set for 2030 and ultimately aims for a complete phase-out of combustion engine vehicles by 2035.
The industry is in transition: Manufacturers are investing heavily in electrification and are expected to meet the 2025 targets, although some may rely on pooling or other strategies.
Uncertainty remains: Factors like consumer demand for EVs, the availability of charging infrastructure, and advancements in battery technology will all play a role in how manufacturers achieve compliance.
In conclusion, the fines for non-compliance with EU emissions targets in 2025 are a significant motivator for car manufacturers to accelerate their transition to cleaner vehicles. While the exact amount of fines remains to be seen, the potential for substantial penalties underscores the importance of meeting these targets for both the industry and the environment.

[SFT33]

Originally Posted by forcefed

Its slower than the f90 m5 it replaces, its slower than an m3, that's my metric.

So much whining. No more Mercedes E63 V8 and Audi RS6/7 going fully electric or hybrid with a V6. Options in this class are dwindling. Kudos to BMW for keeping the V8.

[SFT33]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Plenty fast enough for me and Gorgeous!
The only issues I take with it.are:
No Soft Close Doors
Questionable Interior materials
More Interior Color options

All of which will probably be remedied in the upcoming LCI later this year. ✅
Plus whatever kinks need to be ironed out. So just in time for me in 2026 👍🏽

LCI is not coming later this year. Way too early for that…

[nizona]

I was hoping to see the 0-60 on the main post.

[uniqueMR]

Looking forward to M5 Comp