[Ratcher]

M2 G87 - SOP is indeed 2023 (as stated in main posting)
It's coming with S58 engine (very reliable source).

[Bobby Russell]

cool

[mbanck]

ynguldyn can you say anything about the 48V tech in the UKL/FAAR cars, like the X1/X2 or the 1er? From your list it seems none of them get introduced this year, so I am wondering whether BMW has technical problems fitting them and/or they are tied to the CLAR platform (or the ZF HP8?) for some reason?

[keylime503]

Is the G20 330e PHEV not coming to the U.S.?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by keylime503

Is the G20 330e PHEV not coming to the U.S.?

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1687735

[Lp01]

ynguldyn : do you have any ideia if this covid crisis will delay all SOP planned for 2020. Namely, do you think July models will be delayed?
Thanks. Regards

[sward]

When is SOP for iNext? 2021 or 2022?

[ynguldyn]

Finally some meat and potatoes after a long break: G70 lineup. Noticeably EV heavy.

[GeorgeK9]

G22 is coming? hope corona ends early so our plans not get disturbed.

[JorgenM]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Finally some meat and potatoes after a long break: G70 lineup. Noticeably EV heavy.

Interesting.

So I guess i740 has the smallest battery, around 80kWh. The two others have larger battery around 120kWh and M60 version has several motors.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Finally some meat and potatoes after a long break: G70 lineup. Noticeably EV heavy.

Great to finally see some details coming to light. Here are my thoughts:

735d: B57 48V - Compromise model falling between existing 30d and 40d? The only B57 model, or a new 745d compromise model falling between the existing 40d and discontinued 50d model coming later?

740i: B58 48V - Carryover or B58 TU2? I'd expect a B58 TU2 to usher in a "45i" nameplate.

745e: B58 PHEV - Carryover or upgraded with B58 TU2?

M750e: N63 PHEV? Given that "M45e" is a B58 PHEV reportedly coming to the X8, "M50e" is likely an N63 PHEV. However, why not "M55e" for better separation? Could "M50e" actually be the new name for "M45e", leaving an N63 PHEV model still unknown?

i740: 523hp 80kWh (same as i440)

i750: ~600hp? 100kWh?

i7 M60: ~700hp? 120kWh?

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by GeorgeK9

G22 is coming? hope corona ends early so our plans not get disturbed.

I hope you understand that no one can guarantee you that right now. Still, Germany is doing a great job containing the virus so there's a really good chance it'll show up in July as planned.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Great to finally see some details coming to light. Here are my thoughts:

735d: B57 48V - Compromise model falling between existing 30d and 40d? The only B57 model, or a new 745d compromise model falling between the existing 40d and discontinued 50d model coming later?

Makes sense. I have some good evidence that B57 will continue evolving.

740i: B58 48V - Carryover or B58 TU2? I'd expect a B58 TU2 to usher in a "45i" nameplate.

TU2 but a lower level tune.

745e: B58 PHEV - Carryover or upgraded with B58 TU2?

Same as 740i, hybridized.

M750e: N63 PHEV? Given that "M45e" is a B58 PHEV reportedly coming to the X8, "M50e" is likely an N63 PHEV. However, why not "M55e" for better separation? Could "M50e" actually be the new name for "M45e", leaving an N63 PHEV model still unknown?

Same new version of B58 that we'll see in M245i, hybridized.

i740: 523hp 80kWh (same as i440)

Unlikely that powerful - will need two motors for that but it's a RWD model.

i750: ~600hp? 100kWh?

i7 M60: ~700hp? 120kWh?

Can't even guess about these ones.

[advantage20]

Pretty sure the i740 and i750 will in fact be i7 40 and i7 50, huh? With a clearly isolated i7 badge on the vehicle (like i3 and i8). Just like an X3 30i is clearly badged as X3 (plus a smaller separate 30i designation), not X330i.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by advantage20

Pretty sure the i740 and i750 will in fact be i7 40 and i7 50, huh? With a clearly isolated i7 badge on the vehicle (like i3 and i8). Just like an X3 30i is clearly badged as X3 (plus a smaller separate 30i designation), not X330i.

No, i740 and i750. Only the M Performance version will be this crazy "i7 M60 xDrive" thing.

This is in line with i430 and i440 names for the G26 BEV.

[Sedan_Clan]

The thought of having a manual with AWD would be niceeeeee.

[Miko M]

I still don't get that we need to use bigger battery pack to get more power.
Super capacitor are the answer.... People still can't figure out Nikola Tesla concept or better to say, they don't want to.

[kern417]

Originally Posted by Miko M

I still don't get that we need to use bigger battery pack to get more power.
Super capacitor are the answer.... People still can't figure out Nikola Tesla concept or better to say, they don't want to.

Not worth it from a business perspective because people won't pay more for it.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Miko M

I still don't get that we need to use bigger battery pack to get more power.
Super capacitor are the answer.... People still can't figure out Nikola Tesla concept or better to say, they don't want to.

Why stop there? A compact fusion reactor would be much better.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

The thought of having a manual with AWD would be niceeeeee.

With the way the market is shifting we will be lucky to even have an automatic with shift paddles/manual shift mode.

EVs just have 1-2 speed transmissions.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

With the way the market is shifting we will be lucky to even have an automatic with shift paddles/manual shift mode.

EVs just have 1-2 speed transmissions.

Keep buying these manuals. Gotta keep the interest alive.

[mkoesel]

Okay, so if we call the lower output B58 TU2 the "M2" and the higher output model the "O2" for now (acknowledging that the actual names could differ, e.g. possible "T2"), then that would mean...

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

TU2 but a lower level tune.
Same as 740i, hybridized.

the B58 M2 retains the "40i" name and the hybrid B58 M2 retains the current "45e" name...

Same new version of B58 that we'll see in M245i, hybridized.

while the the B58 O2 is bumped to "45i" and the new B58 O2 hybrid gets the "M50e" badge.

Hopefully if that's the way it goes, it comes across less "weird" IRL.

So no V8 model (be it mild hybrid or PHEV) is known yet, then. We'll see how this progresses. I am still unconvinced the non-M V8 is going away completely. I feel like its got to stay for the SUVs at least, and at that point you might as well put it in the 7 and 8GC (two door 8er models have uncertain future) as well.

Unlikely that powerful - will need two motors for that but it's a RWD model.

Good point, although at some point I expect dual rear motors to be a thing in BMWs. Maybe not by 2022 though.

In any case, it's going to get messy if they start using the same name numbers on vehicles with completely different motor configurations. I suppose it will be the battery capacity alone that drives the numbering scheme now, but if so that's going to be confusing for awhile.