[Imola.ZHP]

So can I get this on my i3?

😂 😂

[antzcrashing]

Next up bmw says "we didnt kill the manual, the people have spoken"

[SeanWRT]

Is it just me that is thinking a fob like that is all we want, either with remote start or not.

[Murph335]

Originally Posted by Joemarino

I asked BMW about their timeline on offering something through the app, I was told that they working on it, but "are trying to avoid a jeep crisis" in regards to security/hacking.

Being in tech. That is a hilarious response/excuse. The reason i find this funny is because its not a bleeding edge innovation rather a proven technology thats probably used by small and major manufacturers.

Tesla figured it out, and you know its not bleeding edge if GM is implementing it. LOL!!

Cooled seats, apple airplay, or google nav map updates ota is all id like to see in the lightweight performance to the flagship lines.

[yaymitch]

Originally Posted by Law

I'm sorry that parking a car safely and properly with the parking brake is such an "annoying" inconvenience.

It should be common knowledge that in both manual and automatic transmissions, the parking brake is the primary physical mechanism that holds a vehicle in place while parked. Leaving a car in gear (manual) and putting the trans in park (automatic) rests the weight of a vehicle on the inertia of its gears in the former and on a locking safety pin that locks the output shaft of the transmission in the latter. In both cases, the parking brake has a stronger hold than the transmission components as they are not designed to be the only thing holding a car in place.
In fact, they are designed to complement the parking brake.
With the parking brake applied, if either of the aforementioned fail, the vehicle will still be held in place.

The parking brake, like other safety features, serve a fundamental purpose.
Is it likely that your failure to set the parking brake today will cause your car to roll into a ditch after running over some people along the way? Probably not.
But its also unlikely that you'll fly out the windshield today while driving home without a seatbelt on, so go figure.

Basic safety features exist for a reason. The parking brake, like the seat belt, are fundamental to this.
There's a reason why all road cars have these things.

GM and many other manufacturers have figured out how to remotely start a vehicle without having the parking brake engaged. BMW should be able to do the same thing. Show me where remote start has caused an accident when the parking brake has not been engaged. According to your logic no car should be able to start without the parking brake being on whether remotely or by an actual driver. Since when has starting an engine caused a car to move that otherwise was at rest before. Remote start has nothing to do with the parking brake being on or not. If the car wasn't moving before then it's not gonna start moving just because you turn the engine on. Lol. The safety feature is that remote start won't function if the car is in gear.

[WreckerX5d]

You guys realize there's a kit out there made by Omega named the BM1 that remote starts the car the exact same way, right? I've had it for years on my car... and I didn't give up a key fob or anything, it starts with three clicks of the lock button.

Then again, before this thread, people were making a fuss about remote starting your BMW and it's a bad idea....

[Law]

Originally Posted by yaymitch

GM and many other manufacturers have figured out how to remotely start a vehicle without having the parking brake engaged. BMW should be able to do the same thing. Show me where remote start has caused an accident when the parking brake has not been engaged. According to your logic no car should be able to start without the parking brake being on whether remotely or by an actual driver. Since when has starting an engine caused a car to move that otherwise was at rest before. Remote start has nothing to do with the parking brake being on or not. If the car wasn't moving before then it's not gonna start moving just because you turn the engine on. Lol. The safety feature is that remote start won't function if the car is in gear.

I'm sure BMW has also "figured out" how to remote start without the parking brake engaged. It's not a fancy piece of technology nor is it ground-breaking rocket science. It can even be done on a manual transmission car and the aftermarket has provided this technology for many years before the OEMs. All the technology is there, but they [BMW] chose not to implement it without the safeguards and for the reasons I've already enumerated, and I stand with BMW on this one.

Read my post again if you do not truly understand the purpose of the parking brake because your argument about starting the engine of a non-moving vehicle having no affect on safety is moot. Many modern automatic transmission cars require depression of the brake pedal before allowing an engine to start as a safety feature. The parking brake prerequisite is no more "annoying" than having to depress the brake pedal to start the engine from the driver's seat and the two features are analogous to each other.

As mentioned before, just because some uninformed drivers find setting the parking brake "annoying" or redundant doesn't eliminate the fact that it is designed to be the primary mechanism keeping a vehicle in position while parked, and not the transmission, regardless of AT or MT.
Most, if not all, driving schools, instructors, and handbooks concur with this position.
In fact, in Texas and California, where you and I live, it is actually required that the parking brake be set while a vehicle is parked, at all times.
Of course, these are quite obscure laws that nobody cares to enforce, just like how changing out your US-spec OEM amber reflectors for painted ones/Euro Bumper probably won't land you a ticket or a fine. But these laws were written not for ticket revenue but for safety. And unlike the anti-idling legislation, these safety laws have nothing to do with emissions either. Safety is the sole reason and doesn't need any other justification, regardless of the low risks.
So it is unsurprising nor should it be shunned upon, that an OEM manufacturer of automobiles (i.e., BMW) puts safety in high regard.
The fact that GM is more lax with its safety shouldn't be something to be proud of.

I am quite appalled that on a BMW enthusiast forum, where most members self-identify as car enthusiasts, so much misinformation and false assumptions about basic parking procedures can be so widespread.



TL;DR: The key point is that the parking brake is designed to serve as the primary mechanism that holds a vehicle stationary while parked and is stronger than having the secondary/backup mechanism, that is the transmission components, hold the weight of the car.
It is standard protocol in basic driving handbooks/classes and required in some jurisdictions that the parking brake be set while a vehicle is parked.
It comes as no surprise, then, that BMW requires the parking brake to be set for its remote start feature to activate. The fact that there are manufacturers like GM that do not take this into consideration is not objective validation that setting the parking brake is redundant or unnecessary.

[clbmw]

I didn't realise there were more people than my best mate who moan about having to use a parking brake and claims the parking pin is enough...

I wouldn't want to try and defend myself in that case if that pin fails and causes damage/harm to others. I imagine your insurance is also invalid through gross negligence.

Mind you he has a merc and they have some weird foot brake. Being as he finds BMWs too twitchy to drive, I told him the handbrake pedal is there so he can use his walking stick to put it on.

[conradb]

Awesome. BMW finally gets 15 year old tech!

[conradb]

Originally Posted by clbmw

I didn't realise there were more people than my best mate who moan about having to use a parking brake and claims the parking pin is enough...

I wouldn't want to try and defend myself in that case if that pin fails and causes damage/harm to others. I imagine your insurance is also invalid through gross negligence.

Mind you he has a merc and they have some weird foot brake. Being as he finds BMWs too twitchy to drive, I told him the handbrake pedal is there so he can use his walking stick to put it on.

You honestly believe an insurance company has a valid claim to suggest that because the parking pin in the transmission catastrophically failed that you were grossly negligent?

Good god. Glad I don't come here for legal advice.

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by conradb

You honestly believe an insurance company has a valid claim to suggest that because the parking pin in the transmission catastrophically failed that you were grossly negligent?

Good god. Glad I don't come here for legal advice.

It's the law in the UK - see section 239 of the Highway Code

[MysticBlue]

This is kind of interesting in that hopefully it is a first step in getting remote start implemented in the connected app. Honestly, a remote start using the key fob isn't really very "remote". Unless you are parked right outside your door or window, it's not of much use. Every BMW I've ever had, including the 2 current ones, have a fob range of 30 or 40 feet at most. (Many of us are familiar with the old "chin trick"). Less than that if you are holding down the unlock button in order to roll the windows down. For something like that, it has to receive an uninterrupted signal while you hold the button down. Often, as I'm walking towards the vehicle, I'm already there by the time the windows roll down. At work, it is in a secure parking lot, but not near enough for me to use the fob, so the remote start would be nearly useless, allowing me to start the vehicle about 5 seconds before I get there anyway. And only if I didn't leave a window or the sun roof cracked open, as I usually do. Parked in a garage at home, so pretty useless to me there also. I wonder how long (if ever) before this will be integrated into the app.

[wdeerfield]

Originally Posted by conradb

Awesome. BMW finally gets 15 year old tech!

Yesterday's Technology, Today!

[jcfay]

Originally Posted by Law

I'm sure BMW has also "figured out" how to remote start without the parking brake engaged. It's not a fancy piece of technology nor is it ground-breaking rocket science. It can even be done on a manual transmission car and the aftermarket has provided this technology for many years before the OEMs. All the technology is there, but they [BMW] chose not to implement it without the safeguards and for the reasons I've already enumerated, and I stand with BMW on this one.

Read my post again if you do not truly understand the purpose of the parking brake because your argument about starting the engine of a non-moving vehicle having no affect on safety is moot. Many modern automatic transmission cars require depression of the brake pedal before allowing an engine to start as a safety feature. The parking brake prerequisite is no more "annoying" than having to depress the brake pedal to start the engine from the driver's seat and the two features are analogous to each other.

As mentioned before, just because some uninformed drivers find setting the parking brake "annoying" or redundant doesn't eliminate the fact that it is designed to be the primary mechanism keeping a vehicle in position while parked, and not the transmission, regardless of AT or MT.
Most, if not all, driving schools, instructors, and handbooks concur with this position.
In fact, in Texas and California, where you and I live, it is actually required that the parking brake be set while a vehicle is parked, at all times.
Of course, these are quite obscure laws that nobody cares to enforce, just like how changing out your US-spec OEM amber reflectors for painted ones/Euro Bumper probably won't land you a ticket or a fine. But these laws were written not for ticket revenue but for safety. And unlike the anti-idling legislation, these safety laws have nothing to do with emissions either. Safety is the sole reason and doesn't need any other justification, regardless of the low risks.
So it is unsurprising nor should it be shunned upon, that an OEM manufacturer of automobiles (i.e., BMW) puts safety in high regard.
The fact that GM is more lax with its safety shouldn't be something to be proud of.

I am quite appalled that on a BMW enthusiast forum, where most members self-identify as car enthusiasts, so much misinformation and false assumptions about basic parking procedures can be so widespread.



TL;DR: The key point is that the parking brake is designed to serve as the primary mechanism that holds a vehicle stationary while parked and is stronger than having the secondary/backup mechanism, that is the transmission components, hold the weight of the car.
It is standard protocol in basic driving handbooks/classes and required in some jurisdictions that the parking brake be set while a vehicle is parked.
It comes as no surprise, then, that BMW requires the parking brake to be set for its remote start feature to activate. The fact that there are manufacturers like GM that do not take this into consideration is not objective validation that setting the parking brake is redundant or unnecessary.

Wow. And I though I could be long winded. Lecture much?

[MightyMouseTech]

Wish they would make this illegal here in NA. Such a waste, all you are doing is needlessly harming the environment, and your engine.

[jon102034050]

Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

Wish they would make this illegal here in NA. Such a waste, all you are doing is needlessly harming the environment, and your engine.

And you drive a BMW 135 - dang you sound like you're going green.

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by jon102034050

And you drive a BMW 135 - dang you sound like you're going green.

I waste my gas having fun, not sitting there idling so my special snowflake does not get a chill for 30s.

[White340]

$500 option on a $60k+ car
Standard on my dad's 2016 Accord EXL for $26k

[yaymitch]

Originally Posted by Law

I'm sure BMW has also "figured out" how to remote start without the parking brake engaged. It's not a fancy piece of technology nor is it ground-breaking rocket science. It can even be done on a manual transmission car and the aftermarket has provided this technology for many years before the OEMs. All the technology is there, but they [BMW] chose not to implement it without the safeguards and for the reasons I've already enumerated, and I stand with BMW on this one.

Read my post again if you do not truly understand the purpose of the parking brake because your argument about starting the engine of a non-moving vehicle having no affect on safety is moot. Many modern automatic transmission cars require depression of the brake pedal before allowing an engine to start as a safety feature. The parking brake prerequisite is no more "annoying" than having to depress the brake pedal to start the engine from the driver's seat and the two features are analogous to each other.

As mentioned before, just because some uninformed drivers find setting the parking brake "annoying" or redundant doesn't eliminate the fact that it is designed to be the primary mechanism keeping a vehicle in position while parked, and not the transmission, regardless of AT or MT.
Most, if not all, driving schools, instructors, and handbooks concur with this position.
In fact, in Texas and California, where you and I live, it is actually required that the parking brake be set while a vehicle is parked, at all times.
Of course, these are quite obscure laws that nobody cares to enforce, just like how changing out your US-spec OEM amber reflectors for painted ones/Euro Bumper probably won't land you a ticket or a fine. But these laws were written not for ticket revenue but for safety. And unlike the anti-idling legislation, these safety laws have nothing to do with emissions either. Safety is the sole reason and doesn't need any other justification, regardless of the low risks.
So it is unsurprising nor should it be shunned upon, that an OEM manufacturer of automobiles (i.e., BMW) puts safety in high regard.
The fact that GM is more lax with its safety shouldn't be something to be proud of.

I am quite appalled that on a BMW enthusiast forum, where most members self-identify as car enthusiasts, so much misinformation and false assumptions about basic parking procedures can be so widespread.



TL;DR: The key point is that the parking brake is designed to serve as the primary mechanism that holds a vehicle stationary while parked and is stronger than having the secondary/backup mechanism, that is the transmission components, hold the weight of the car.
It is standard protocol in basic driving handbooks/classes and required in some jurisdictions that the parking brake be set while a vehicle is parked.
It comes as no surprise, then, that BMW requires the parking brake to be set for its remote start feature to activate. The fact that there are manufacturers like GM that do not take this into consideration is not objective validation that setting the parking brake is redundant or unnecessary.

I am sorry, I don't get it. Can you please explain in more detail the correlation between remote start and the parking brake in a car with automatic transmission?

[WreckerX5d]

Originally Posted by yaymitch

I am sorry, I don't get it. Can you please explain in more detail the correlation between remote start and the parking brake in a car with automatic transmission?

Bimmerpost doesn't have enough server space to hold such a response.

[KGB_123_99]

About time. The laws were just an excuse to save money and not install this extra piece of hardware. Just because it was not legal in Germany doesn't mean it should not be an option in other parts of the world. We get our red indicators in North America instead of the yellow ones, don't we?

The real reason BMW is doing this is because Audi and Benz are.

[Mark444444]

For those of you who have it scheduled, what is the out the door price with install that you were quoted?