[Arcades]

Originally Posted by Darth One

Whatever, dude. I'm tired of complaining about BMW design on the internet. Will just vote with my wallet.

Yeah. I'm already aiming this way myself.

The only current BMW I would get is a X3 and that would be it. Porsche has been more attractive to me because they do not stray from their history much when it comes to driving.

I can complain all I want about Porsche interior and how annoying I find the PCM but least they don't put out crap like this and think it is fine.

[phantom7835]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

the more i see it the more i like it. i am a bmw fan and even if the grille were twice as big i would buy it.

You are what is wrong with bmw buyers, or anyone who blindly follows a brand

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by frankchn

Adrian van Hooydonk is probably used to controversy. Remember the E65 7-Series with the flame surfacing and "Bangle Butt"? van Hooydonk was the lead designer for that vehicle.

People really hated that design when it first came out, but I think it has aged decently well. I suspect we will see something similar with the new grills.

E65 was the best selling 7 Series of all time.

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by phantom7835

You are what is wrong with bmw buyers, or anyone who blindly follows a brand

Why?

Live and let live..

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

BMW continues to show how they've lot the plot with their arrogance.

The Bangle cars, notable the pre-LCI E65 and E60, had unconventional styling yes. But they still drove like proper BMWs.

This entire decade, ever since the launch of the F10, BMW has proved repeatedly how very little they care about the customers who made their brand what it is today. They're all about the ///Marketing now. Instead of making cars that are fun to drive, their priority is to sell the image of a fun car with gaudy styling, M badges on non-M cars, and garbage steering/chassis tuning (reaffirmed by all the negative product reviews and lost comparison tests the past 9 years).

You are far from the brand I once loved BMW. You're a sell-out and shell of your former self.

They are doing fine financially and they don't care one iota what you or the old guard brigade thinks.

[Meeni]

That grill is George Foreman big. It's not exactly ugly but it is clearly trying too hard and thus cringe.

Now if they could explain how they managed to make the new Z4 ugly, that would be something.

[BwoodBMW]

Originally Posted by GOLFFRR

lots of heat from both sides but as I have been saying lets wait and see what it looks like when it comes out. I have a feeling it will slowly grow on them. I know I know guys, but lets wait and see

Yeah this is the first time I'm ever looking forward to the production version toning down elements of one of the concepts....

5-10% chance they save it with the production version. I'm hopeful they somehow pull it off. 90%+ chance BMW loses me for a generation (after now 14 consecutive years in nothing but BMWs)

Then watch, the F90 LCI will be rad and I'll end up just spending more to buy an M5... so I guess I'm the sucker.

[chassis]

Sales volumes are speaking for themselves.

I am a fan of the large grills.

I like the common interior design language across the brand, however the 760 interior looks too much like the X3. That would disappoint me, if I was a 760 buyer, which I am not. It does nothing for me, for better or for worse, as an X3 buyer, which I am.

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by chassis

Sales volumes are speaking for themselves.

I am a fan of the large grills.

I like the common interior design language across the brand, however the 760 interior looks too much like the X3. That would disappoint me, if I was a 760 buyer, which I am not. It does nothing for me, for better or for worse, as an X3 buyer, which I am.

Hmmmm

Have you been inside a M760i?

[$hah$]

Looks like a washing machine and a dryer side by side built into the car. You can now wash your clothes on the way to work or the gym. BMW at its finest!

[HellRaizzer]

Originally Posted by JoePcone

I'm all for taking chances with design but you look like a cheese dik in this thing trying to overcompensate for something with that grill. That's just plain embarrassing. It's a shame too because I think the rest of the concept is outstanding.

Couldn't agree more with this guy

"Bloody awful" is exactly what I think...
This is not a new direction in design language...this is simply shit! :

[Tornado1M]

Originally Posted by MarkDemma

Who actually LIKES these huge grills? I've heard that it's primarily to the Chinese market who love the things.

Audi / Lexus have been doing this for a while and I always thought it looked hideous. I do hope that it doesn't spread to the entire line of cars.

China is a huge market and growing bigger.....they love the BIG grills!!!

[lowrydr310]

Originally Posted by Gamb1t

Meh... ugly car can sell well. Just look at Teslas. We have a giant Asprin, Platypus, Aztek with gullwings. They are doing just fine.

Wow! You just described the entire tesla lineup. Platypus! I knew the model 3 looked like an animal, I just couldn't figure out which one. You nailed it!

Also, I didn't realize how much the X looked like an Aztek! Though I think the body panel alignment on the Aztek is significantly better than that on the Model X.

Speaking of Pontiacs, it looks like the design of the 4 series grill was inspired by a 1970 Pontiac Bonneville!

While I am not a huge fan of the new look, I agree that something different was needed. I am not a fan of the F30 styling and much prefer the E90, however I do like the G20 sedan despite it being slightly too similar to a Lexus/Infiniti.

BMW/Audi/MB always had 'edgy' designs, which ended up getting copied by other automakers. It seems BMW is the one copying now, with the lines and the giant grill trend. I wouldn't give up hope, that Bangle 7 series got cleaned up nicely into a clean elegant design when it was refreshed.

[bobloblaw]

Originally Posted by 530iDriver

E65 was the best selling 7 Series of all time.

Yes it was, but I don't think it sold as many as BMW wanted to.


https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-ne...-ar168860.html

Despite being the most criticized BMW at launch, the E65 went on to become the best-selling 7 Series, with 343,073 units delivered from 2001 through 2008. However, sales were disappointing compared to the previous E38, which ended its life-cycle with only 2,830 examples less sold. Moreover, the 7 Series continued to be significantly less successful than the S-Class, the indisputable leader of the full-size market.

[Tornado1M]

I've said this before and I'll say it again...if they can tone it down for the production version and have it closer to the Hommage Concept.....we could have a serious winner on our hands!

[allinon72]

The world is changing....things are no longer made to western specifications. They are made to cater to a market with a drastically different idea of what looks good on an automobile. Making it worse, they are trying to convince us that the design is "progressive" instead of just being honest about what region the car was designed for.

[georgere]

I actually like the grill. Not getting why everyone is so against it. The current language where kidney connect to headlights is the worst in my opinion. To each his own and finally for me they made the revolution in the front. Too bad they stopped there

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by bobloblaw

Yes it was, but I don't think it sold as many as BMW wanted to.


https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-ne...-ar168860.html

For its price and segment, that 2,000+ vehicle difference is huge. At least to me, there is no way I'm looking at the E65 sales and say "it only sold 2,000 more than its predecessor."

At the end of the day, despite the design being highly controversial, I believe it was a first time (in some time?) that it sold more than the S-Class and reviews were more favourable towards the 7er. F01 onwards is when the S-Class took its commanding lead in all aspects.

We can all mock him for what he said but if you really think about it, he's not completely wrong. I'm not going to critique the actual design because that is highly subjective but everyone so far is acting like they never complained about the very thing he said. We all have said that BMW all looked alike and there needed more differentiation - all GXX BMWs are doing exactly that. I don't think you can hate a design and backtrack and say you wish BMW kept its traditional design. Regardless of what happens, people are going to hate it because it's not what they're used to. I'm sure each kidney grille design since the beginning had its fair share of haters/lovers.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by evanescent03

@Sedan_Clan

Sir, you have some work to do in this thread! lol. And no, in still not believing the g80 will have the giant grille on the concept, lol. I'm still hoping that even if it's on biggER side it will look acceptable. That 4er concept is unacceptable. lol.

I don't know what to tell you bro. LOL! I guess you won't believe it until it's staring you in the face while sitting in the showroom. I know you're going to buy one though.

[NickyC]

Kinda funny, about a month ago when that 4-Series abomination hit I sent a friendly email to BMW customer support concerning their direction in styling. Been a customer for 20 years...blah blah....horrible grills....blah blah....won't be buying anymore....blah blah.

They sent me a nice return email, then a representative followed up a couple days later by phone after I booked a time to talk. They went pretty much by the book trying to explain their direction to me, which I of course appreciated then mentioned off hand "Well if the new M4 looks anything like that, my C8 purchase will be easy to make". He laughed and when I said "I bet you've been hearing that a lot huh?" he demurred.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

For its price and segment, that 2,000+ vehicle difference is huge. At least to me, there is no way I'm looking at the E65 sales and say "it only sold 2,000 more than its predecessor."

At the end of the day, despite the design being highly controversial, I believe it was a first time (in some time?) that it sold more than the S-Class and reviews were more favourable towards the 7er. F01 onwards is when the S-Class took its commanding lead in all aspects.

We can all mock him for what he said but if you really think about it, he's not completely wrong. I'm not going to critique the actual design because that is highly subjective but everyone so far is acting like they never complained about the very thing he said. We all have said that BMW all looked alike and there needed more differentiation - all GXX BMWs are doing exactly that. I don't think you can hate a design and backtrack and say you wish BMW kept its traditional design. Regardless of what happens, people are going to hate it because it's not what they're used to. I'm sure each kidney grille design since the beginning had its fair share of haters/lovers.

Valid/excellent points!

[skullman]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

For its price and segment, that 2,000+ vehicle difference is huge. At least to me, there is no way I'm looking at the E65 sales and say "it only sold 2,000 more than its predecessor."

At the end of the day, despite the design being highly controversial, I believe it was a first time (in some time?) that it sold more than the S-Class and reviews were more favourable towards the 7er. F01 onwards is when the S-Class took its commanding lead in all aspects.

We can all mock him for what he said but if you really think about it, he's not completely wrong. I'm not going to critique the actual design because that is highly subjective but everyone so far is acting like they never complained about the very thing he said. We all have said that BMW all looked alike and there needed more differentiation - all GXX BMWs are doing exactly that. I don't think you can hate a design and backtrack and say you wish BMW kept its traditional design. Regardless of what happens, people are going to hate it because it's not what they're used to. I'm sure each kidney grille design since the beginning had its fair share of haters/lovers.

Spot on!