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      12-12-2024, 06:30 PM   #45
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I see BEV M3 version as an addition to the family fleet. It won't replace any other car in our garage but will become a more energizing in-the-city vehicle.

When BEV M3 becomes available, I will subscribe to Akrapvoic exhaust sound (sigh ... and a business idea for Akrapovic).

Regardless of how the car may look to the cautiously optimistic crowds, torque vectoring via 4 motors will be a game changer.
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      12-12-2024, 06:34 PM   #46
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No thanks! EV’s are not the future and that has been proven by other manufacturers that tried. They’ve halted production and started to reverse course in their claims of an EV future.

EV’s lose over 50% of their value within the 1st year. That’s 4-5% depreciation a month.

Tesla, Audi, Ford, Chevy & Dodge all have similar results and their quarterly earnings reflect that no one buys them.

As far as environmentally friendly that is a also a narrative pushed by the political agenda.
Indeed!!

Should be apparent by now that EVs are NOT the future and never were. EVs represent a component of a b.s. agenda that they have tried to cram down the consumer throats

For those that say it is all related to government regulations and BMW had no choice . . . the same consumers that are voting with our wallets and saying we do not want your EVs, are the consumers that vote for government officials

There is a new sheriff coming to town and his motto is, 'drill baby drill' !!!

And for those that think this sheriff will not 'influence' what happens in Europe and around the world . . . the petro dollar is still king and has immense power to 'influence' policies

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Edit: By the way, I do think the new M3 model shown in this thread LOOKS great
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      12-12-2024, 06:41 PM   #47
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The development vehicle in the video looked better.
That's because the original test mule was an i4 G26.
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This is really disappointing, an electric M car is sacrilegious. Get a grip BMW, no one wants this NEUE KLASSE crap, it’s super ugly. Just make classy cars.
Have you ridden in/driven an i4 M50 with 20" wheels?

There is nothing sacrilegious about an electric M.

My M50 is considered and M-Lite but has 540hp and 586lb-ft of torque and will pull 1g on a freeway on/off ramp.

So while I won't be buying one, I anticipate a 4 motor M-BEV with be an absolute beast.
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      12-12-2024, 06:47 PM   #49
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Meh just another EV. 😴
Im sure it will appeal to those looking for a fancy new appliance to commute in, not so sure you will see many driving enthusiasts stepping out of an ICE performance car into one of these things.

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Have you ridden in/driven an i4 M50 with 20" wheels?

There is nothing sacrilegious about an electric M.

My M50 is considered and M-Lite but has 540hp and 586lb-ft of torque and will pull 1g on a freeway on/off ramp.

So while I won't be buying one, I anticipate a 4 4 motor M-BEV with be an absolute beast.
Ya maybe, but it’s not just speed, it’s heritage and driving dynamics that make these cars so good. An electric powertrain removes the connection the driver has with the car, and that’s lame asf. Why do you think so many people criticize new BMWs for having no steering feel since they switched to electric from hydraulic. Electric cars, especially sports cars, are not the future. This whole NEUE KLASSE thing is so disappointing and the reason I will only ever own E chassis cars. Literally yesterday I drove from KS to SC, 1100 miles, in my 06 e61 with 200k miles on it full of my stuff, and I did the trip in one day, 7:30 am-2:00am this morning; find me one electric car that can do that and I’ll rest my case, and even if you can, it will cost you 10x what my car did minimum. My regular commuter BMW with an n52 and an auto trans was still fun to drive in the mountains because I was connected to the car in every aspect, and that’s what gives cars their character. (Good slow cars > boring fast cars)
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Speak for yourself. You are not everybody.

I find a true M car as a BEV far, FAR less sacrilegious than slapping //M badges on M235i's, M340i's and advertising them on the //M section of their website.

Just saying....

So would you buy one?
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No one wants BMW EV's. There's a reason you can lease an I4 for $300 a month. They can't get rid of them. This will flop like the C63s
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      12-12-2024, 07:32 PM   #53
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Those who're upset that there will be an electric M3 are the problem with the world. Their existence is bad for all of us - not just from protecting environment POV but also being close minded, against change and innovation.
You can’t be serious…

Look at the end to end lifecycle costs of EVs including extracting the raw materials/minerals out of the ground and the complete lack of unified standards/regulations for EV battery recycling.

Then consider their heavy weight, greatly increased wear on tires and brakes, added wear on roads. There is nothing environmentally friendly about them.

The lack of charging infrastructure, long charging times, and depreciation rates are strong negatives as well.

The previous Toyota CEO (Toyoda) had it right. For the materials in one EV he could build many small displacement hybrids and have much more benefit to the environment. (Orders of magnitude more)
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I think this looks fantastic based on what’s visible. A stocky sedan with aggressive proportions sounds great to me. I have driven a combination of i3s and M3s for years. Having an electric M3 next to my next ICE vehicle and my i3 is all I want really. So nice to have options. Those who don’t want the BEV M3 will have an ICE variant, so stop all the fuss. Buy something else.

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may i pass judgement? I like the look of the G8x more even with the grille
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this will be mucho expensive experiment
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i also think the Xiaomi looks better



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I'd be willing to bet based on 1. The looks of the camo vehicle and 2. that the development vehicle in the video is an i4 with an M3 nose that the car will be a hatch.

I love a hatch, but the 4 GC / i4 doesn't work for me...the hatch robs rear headroom my family of tall people needs.
Hmm…. Hatch typically has lower torsional stiffness than non-hatch. The vehicle dynamics team might not be too happy if hatch is the plan.
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Enjoy driving an M3 with no exhaust note.

Lol.
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Enjoy driving an M3 with no exhaust note.

Lol.
The way the past 2 gens have sounded, silence would be an improvement. Lol. Can’t imagine anyone with decent hearing can argue, that’s something to be missed
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Consumers have spoken and nobody wants these environmental catastrophes . . . particularly driving enthusiasts

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Really?
Is that why US EV sales continue to rise?
Q3 2024 sales up 11% yoy.
Electrified vehicles - BEV + hybrid - represent over 20% of US vehicle sales. That certainly isn’t “nobody”.

Personally, I would not want a BEV M, but a well executed PHEV? Yes please.
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My god the size.

I mean, I was gonna' even, but I just can't.

BMW has lost me entirely. Guessing it's 4,200 lbs.
My guess is you’re right on the money

My 24 Model 3 Performance weighs is 4054

And that definitely looks like a larger car
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