[quagmire]

Originally Posted by P1et

Not just the show mate, you know they have a magazine also, right? And it's very good.

Ah ok.... Yeah the magazine seems to be better balanced. But, I find it too many people take the show itself seriously and think what they say is absolute truth.

[Deezulbeem]

Originally Posted by Litos

like how the 5.0 runs around the track as good an an M3 !?!?

you mean that one !?!? you mean the $37K 5.0 Mustang that are driven by people wearing Affliction shirts with Famous hats !?!?

that car is just as fast around a track as the $60k+ M3 !?!? cool !!!!!

yeah, I think you're referring to that one......

or...
Or....
OR..........

you're probably referring to the Z28 Camaro that beat two of the most iconic track cars of our time, a 2014 Porsche 911S and 2014 Nissan GT-R Track Edition....

that Camaro beat both cars at Barber Motorsports Park DESPITE having less HP, less torque and being RWD - Randy Pobst test driving all 3 cars...

so yeah, you were probably referring to either of those cars.........just sayin bruh, don't be mad......

You defend american muscle, yet you drive the worst example of one? you mad bruh? lol

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by P1et

You don't believe anything on Top Gear UK???

Chris Harris is one of the few journalists I trust. He gained my absolute trust after what he did to expose Ferrari years ago.

If I had to list a few of the most unbiased, credible auto journalists today, no one from Top Gear (including Clarkson) would be on my short list.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by epic

Nailed it.
30. Chrysler 300C SRT8 HEMI sedan 1:27.00 0 435 / 2000 Randy Pobst
31. Porsche Boxster Spyder 1:27.10 '10 320 / 1275
32. Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport C6 1:27.29 '10 436 / 1542

uuuughghgh - that 300C SRT8 tho !!!!!!

....beating a 2 door Porsche Boxster and Grand Sport C6....

[turbolag]

Originally Posted by Litos

like how the 5.0 runs around the track as good an an M3 !?!?

you mean that one !?!? you mean the $37K 5.0 Mustang that are driven by people wearing Affliction shirts with Famous hats !?!?

that car is just as fast around a track as the $60k+ M3 !?!? cool !!!!!

yeah, I think you're referring to that one......

or...
Or....
OR..........

you're probably referring to the Z28 Camaro that beat two of the most iconic track cars of our time, a 2014 Porsche 911S and 2014 Nissan GT-R Track Edition....

that Camaro beat both cars at Barber Motorsports Park DESPITE having less HP, less torque and being RWD - Randy Pobst test driving all 3 cars...

so yeah, you were probably referring to either of those cars.........just sayin bruh, don't be mad......

A Camaro has more power than a 911. And it's also RWD. And a C2S isn't a track car...it's a GT. Like the M6. Except not numb.

Pretty sure a GT3 RS 4.0 can beat it. And that's 'iconic.' C2S is a great car...but not iconic by any means.

Calm the heck down, btw. The 5.0 Mustang...want to talk to me again about its suspension?

[P1]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

Chris Harris is one of the few journalists I trust. He gained my absolute trust after what he did to expose Ferrari years ago.

If I had to list a few of the most unbiased, credible auto journalists today, no one from Top Gear (including Clarkson) would be on my short list.

Do I put Chris above the chaps from Top Gear when I want a honest review of a vehicle? Sure. Do I put reviews from the Top Gear UK fellas above a Motor Trend review? Sure.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by P1et

Do I put Chris above the chaps from Top Gear when I want a honest review of a vehicle? Sure. Do I put reviews from the Top Gear UK fellas above a Motor Trend review? Sure.

Are you familiar with Carlos Lago of Motor Trend? I don't know if I've seen a bigger BMW homer but these days, he's mentioned in the same breath as Mr. Harris.

Not being argumentative. Just suggesting a journalist to check out.

[Mr Tonka]

Aren't most GM cars like the camaro, challengers, etc built on Mercedes chassis? Some of them have german motors, no? Just curious, as i have no dog in this fight. American car companies are turning out some performers for sure. A little late to the game but at least they've made it.

I could give a rip is my car had a Kia or Mopar badge on it. I would have taken it off just like i did the M3 badge.

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

Aren't most GM cars like the camaro, challengers, etc built on Mercedes chassis? Some of them have german motors, no? Just curious, as i have no dog in this fight. American car companies are turning out some performers for sure. A little late to the game but at least they've made it.

I could give a rip is my car had a Kia or Mopar badge on it. I would have taken it off just like i did the M3 badge.

The Challenger is based on the LX platform which is based off at least this point of time, a very old E Class platform.

The Camaro is on the Zeta platform which GM's Australian subsidiary Holden developed for their Commodore( which also became our Pontiac G8 and Chevy SS).

The engines are of course either GM's 3.6 liter V6 or the Small Block V8 and Chrysler's is the Pentastar which started development under Cerberus I believe and their Hemi which is not based off any Mercedes V8 since it is OHV like Chevy's Small Block.

Originally Posted by P1et

Do I put Chris above the chaps from Top Gear when I want a honest review of a vehicle? Sure. Do I put reviews from the Top Gear UK fellas above a Motor Trend review? Sure.

If you're still talking about the magazine, ok, but if you're talking about the idiots, then you're just trying to find journalists that tailor to your own biases.

[Mr Tonka]

^^ Thanks.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

Aren't most GM cars like the camaro, challengers, etc built on Mercedes chassis? Some of them have german motors, no?

for both of my Challengers: E-Class chassis, tons of German chassis, interior components, Mexican made engines, Built in Canada.......

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by Litos

for both of my Challengers: E-Class chassis, tons of German chassis, interior components, Mexican made engines, Built in Canada.......

diversification at it's finest.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by turbolag

A Camaro has more power than a 911.

you're high......

see, that's why I can't have these conversations with some of you cheese dicks, because some of ya'll are barely passable as fucking retards....


http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._r_comparison/


"...We're very familiar with the GT-R Track, having run it at last year's 2013 Best Driver's Car, where it placed sixth out of 12. This flavor of Godzilla comes packing a twin-turbo 3.8-liter V-6 good for 545 hp and 463 lb-ft of torque. The new Turbo S is (somehow) even more potent, as its twin-turbo, 3.8-liter boxer-six summons up an impressive 560 hp and 516 lb-ft of torque. However, there's an overboost mode between 2200 and 4000 rpm that allows the Turbo S to generate 553 lb-ft of twisting force for short bursts. The Z/28 packs GM's familiar and fantastic hand-built LS7 lifted straight out of the C6 Z06, a 7.0-liter small-block pushrod V-8 that's good for 505 hp and 481 lb-ft..."

[Litos]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

diversification at it's finest.

that white leather

[P1]

Originally Posted by quagmire

The Challenger is based on the LX platform which is based off at least this point of time, a very old E Class platform.

The Camaro is on the Zeta platform which GM's Australian subsidiary Holden developed for their Commodore( which also became our Pontiac G8 and Chevy SS).

The engines are of course either GM's 3.6 liter V6 or the Small Block V8 and Chrysler's is the Pentastar which started development under Cerberus I believe and their Hemi which is not based off any Mercedes V8 since it is OHV like Chevy's Small Block.



If you're still talking about the magazine, ok, but if you're talking about the idiots, then you're just trying to find journalists that tailor to your own biases.

Top Gear UK, yes, the magazine for reviews. The shows are fun to watch though.

[i dunno]

if all we cared about is lap times, none of us would be driving bimmers. theres more to the driving experience than just numbers.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by i dunno

if all we cared about is lap times, none of us would be driving bimmers. theres more to the driving experience than just numbers.

this is true...

I went through my phase of 3-series cars - been there, done that, moved on...

I'd get one again though.....

[P1]

Originally Posted by i dunno

if all we cared about is lap times, none of us would be driving bimmers. theres more to the driving experience than just numbers.

The absolute LAST thing I consider when buying a car is how well it does on the track. Unless you're taking your vehicle to the track actively, which most of us don't, debating how well a Camaro does vs. a Ford on the Nurburgring I slightly silly.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by P1et

debating how well a Camaro does vs. a Ford on the Nurburgring I slightly silly.

it makes even funnier when you say these things after you were the one that started the debate.....

[P1]

Originally Posted by Litos

it makes even funnier when you say these things after you were the one that started the debate.....

The real funny thing is that I was trolling all along. Surprised no one caught on to that, but I enjoyed all the heated enthusiasm in the replies. I thought the plastic interior comment would have given it away, but nope...

[Litos]

Originally Posted by P1et

The real funny thing is that I was trolling all along.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by P1et

The real funny thing is that I was trolling all along.