[Fundguy1]

Want to be mad at someone? Be mad at your legislator who passed regulatons that forced all banks including small CU to look for other sources of revenue crating the atmosphere for abuses like this to occur and that also in turn slowed the economic recovery down to the point where it's the worst in over 70 years.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by jpnh

The convicted criminals should pay court costs

Again....play stupid games....win stupid prizes

Until indiiduals are held personally accountable in a court of law this BS will continue

No. This will send a message to the other banks who are undoubtedly doing the same thing to get their shit together around this issue. Again, result. So now they'll look for other ways to make up the lost revenue and we will see more and larger fees shortly.

[Fundguy1]

You're worried about a personal banker who makes $50k a year and who made an extra $10 here and there that in the end came out of the bank's bottoming as the bank paid back everything he took, and who lost his job as a result, going to jail.

Where's the outrage over the guy who personally made $1,000,000,000 scamming people's emotions by telling them to send in money voluntarily to his company to offset their carbon footprint and then banked the money. Al Gore.

Where's the outrage over the couple who made hundreds of millions getting bribe money for access to the state department and favorable government treatment. Clintons.

Where's the outrage over the billionaire who made his money selling 1/5 of the US uranium supplies to Russia through theseveral same Clinton scemes?

I don't see you advocating prosecution of these major criminals. I don't see them out of a job or paYong back any of their stolen money.

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

You're worried about a personal banker who makes $50k a year and who made an extra $10 here and there that in the end came out of the bank's bottoming as the bank paid back everything he took, and who lost his job as a result, going to jail.
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So some crimes on the books should be prosecuted while others are ignored?

Furthermore you sound like you're advocating that the criminal code be selectively enforced based on the income of the person that committed the crime?

Law is supposed to be blind and crimes such as theft are in place for good reason

If you cant do the time, dont do the crime

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by jpnh

So some crimes on the books should be prosecuted while others are ignored?

Furthermore you sound like you're advocating that the criminal code be selectively enforced based on the income of the person that committed the crime?

Law is supposed to be blind and crimes such as theft are in place for good reason

If you cant do the time, dont do the crime

No. There's something called a plea bargain. This was done because it served the public. Zero customers lost any money. Zero customers had any damage done as a result of identity theft. A heavy fine was imposed on the banks. A heavy penalty of job loss was paid by the perpetrators. So in this case the law was followed, applied, prosecuted, etc.

The cases I mentioned weren't. If law is supposed to be blind, why aren't these people in jail?

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

No. There's something called a plea bargain. This was done because it served the public. Zero customers lost any money. Zero customers had any damage done as a result of identity theft. A heavy fine was imposed on the banks. A heavy penalty of job loss was paid by the perpetrators. So in this case the law was followed, applied, prosecuted, etc.

The cases I mentioned weren't. If law is supposed to be blind, why aren't these people in jail?

people lost money.......it was just returned to them in the cases that were discovered

EVERYONE who had money stolen has been harmed.

The notion of plea bargaining is a farce......a prosecutor trying to make a name for themselves/seeking higher office routinely throws everything possible at the defendant and then settles for a confession to a lesser charge

Its a travesty of justice.....folks should be charged with whatever crimes the evidence supports period.

The "Public" wasnt served in this case because the criminals got off without being convicted of the crimes they committed.....the outcome was all about political expediency rather than application of justice according to laws on the books

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by jpnh

people lost money.......it was just returned to them in the cases that were discovered

EVERYONE who had money stolen has been harmed.

The notion of plea bargaining is a farce......a prosecutor trying to make a name for themselves/seeking higher office routinely throws everything possible at the defendant and then settles for a confession to a lesser charge

Its a travesty of justice.....folks should be charged with whatever crimes the evidence supports period.

The "Public" wasnt served in this case because the criminals got off without being convicted of the crimes they committed.....the outcome was all about political expediency rather than application of justice according to laws on the books

1. No, nobody lost money. It is being returned to everyone.
2. No. Harmed would be to have lost something. They didn't.
3. This bargain made the public, you and i, $185mm and punished the bank $185mm which the bank as a whole did nothing wrong. Individuals who worked there did the crime.
4. If you call loosing your job paying $50k for $100 getting off I guess they did. I don't.

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

1. No, nobody lost money. It is being returned to everyone.

People DID lose money

There are tangible and intangible losses here that are not accounted for

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

2. No. Harmed would be to have lost something. They didn't.

Again...folks had money taken from them

There is a cost associated with loss in trust, efforts on the part of each person/entitle that had funds stolen from them to validate there were not other cases....this requires time and effort and in return compensation

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

3. This bargain made the public, you and i, $185mm and punished the bank $185mm which the bank as a whole did nothing wrong. Individuals who worked there did the crime.

No bargain was made with the "Public"

Funds go into government coffers instead of being returned to those harmed....the only winner here is the unelected bureaucrat and the thieves that got off without prosecution

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

4. If you call loosing your job paying $50k for $100 getting off I guess they did. I don't.

The law/code doesnt call for loss of job....thats a consequence of being semi retarded....

the law in most every state in these united states calls for prosecution/penalty and if you want to argue about bargain made with the public then this is it.....the BARGAIN made with the public/civil society/social contract is to enforce the laws that our duly elected representatives have passed into law on our behalf.

the BARGAIN made with the public/civil society/social contract is NOT for some unelected bureaucrat to pick and choose which people should and shouldnt be charged with a crime where there is evidence to support prosecution

What you are argueing for is arbitrary/selective application of law

This is exactly what happened with Clinton and undermines civil society

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by jpnh

People DID lose money

There are tangible and intangible losses here that are not accounted for



Again...folks had money taken from them

There is a cost associated with loss in trust, efforts on the part of each person/entitle that had funds stolen from them to validate there were not other cases....this requires time and effort and in return compensation



No bargain was made with the "Public"

Funds go into government coffers instead of being returned to those harmed....the only winner here is the unelected bureaucrat and the thieves that got off without prosecution



The law/code doesnt call for loss of job....thats a consequence of being semi retarded....

the law in most every state in these united states calls for prosecution/penalty and if you want to argue about bargain made with the public then this is it.....the BARGAIN made with the public/civil society/social contract is to enforce the laws that our duly elected representatives have passed into law on our behalf.

the BARGAIN made with the public/civil society/social contract is NOT for some unelected bureaucrat to pick and choose which people should and shouldnt be charged with a crime where there is evidence to support prosecution

What you are argueing for is arbitrary/selective application of law

This is exactly what happened with Clinton and undermines civil society

1. They are in the process of paying everyone back. Who lost money?
2. The bank is doing that effort. What do you suggest? Paying people thousands because the bank took $25 for 6 months?
3. The money goes to the government. That $185mm we all enjoy paying our tax bill and deficit.
4. Clintons personally benefitted to the tune of hundreds of millions. In this case the net benefit is zero for anyone at the bank, the taxpayers of the US $185mm, net losses are to the bank, $185mm and jobs of all involved, and nobody else. Where's your beef?

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

1. They are in the process of paying everyone back. Who lost money?
2. The bank is doing that effort. What do you suggest? Paying people thousands because the bank took $25 for 6 months?
3. The money goes to the government. That $185mm we all enjoy paying our tax bill and deficit.
4. Clintons personally benefitted to the tune of hundreds of millions. In this case the net benefit is zero for anyone at the bank, the taxpayers of the US $185mm, net losses are to the bank, $185mm and jobs of all involved, and nobody else. Where's your beef?

1. There's the notion of restitution thats so far appears to be totally ignored
2. I have stated all along that Gov shouldnt get a dime out of this beyond cost of trial.....it DOESNT come back to taxpayers....it just goes into gov coffers and is spend by bureaucrats

As far as the clintons go I think you're missing the point

Selective enforcement of the law very quickly results in the law being used to punish certain people while others that are more connected are let go

Any way you slice it the end result is loss of confidence by the public as a whole that they will 1. be protected and 2 that law will be applied/justice served

As it stands today we have a great many thieves that have gotten off scott free with no record of their crimes

[jtodd_fl]

See, THIS is why I made the pissing match thread. It's like... I'm psychic or some shit.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by jpnh

What the company does (firing) has no bearing on what the law calls for.

Theft is theft

What SHOULD happen is for the state to prosecute these thieves so they have a permanent record that follows them....play stupid games....win stupid prizes

Lets look at petty theft laws just in the state of Mass

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com...alties-defense

Agreed completely with you bro!

Is pretty obvious we have some bankers here who obviously disagree. Imagine that...

Jail time is definitely deserved! This is exactly why these vampires keep pulling this bullshit. Slaps on the wrist. These employees will simply get jobs at other banks and continue the shenanigans.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by jtodd_fl

See, THIS is why I made the pissing match thread. It's like... I'm psychic or some shit.

Yeah, and I appreciated your marketing.

Do note that ssott waits for your first post.

[ORIGIN M.]

Wells Fargo is truly the Devil !

[jtodd_fl]

Originally Posted by Lups

Yeah, and I appreciated your marketing.

Do note that ssott waits for your first post.

Heh. Thank you. I feel like I need to really have something to say. So much pressure, unlike here.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by jtodd_fl

Heh. Thank you. I feel like I need to really have something to say. So much pressure, unlike here.

Football season is here. Until hockey picks up and you guys get a president, we are arguing about vodka, mainly on how it should be bottled.

It's such an epic mind trust always.

But seriously, Canadians can't do anything right.

[jtodd_fl]

Originally Posted by Lups

Football season is here. Until hockey picks up and you guys get a president, we are arguing about vodka, mainly on how it should be bottled.

It's such an epic mind trust always.

But seriously, Canadians can't do anything right.

Well... Of course... Except apologize. Except bimmette She's perfect in every way.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by jtodd_fl

Well... Of course... Except apologize. Except bimmette She's perfect in every way.

She ain't. That chick can't fish for shit. I know since I taught her

[bimmette]

Originally Posted by Lups

She ain't. That chick can't fish for shit. I know since I taught her

I need another chance!

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by jpnh

1. There's the notion of restitution thats so far appears to be totally ignored
2. I have stated all along that Gov shouldnt get a dime out of this beyond cost of trial.....it DOESNT come back to taxpayers....it just goes into gov coffers and is spend by bureaucrats

As far as the clintons go I think you're missing the point

Selective enforcement of the law very quickly results in the law being used to punish certain people while others that are more connected are let go

Any way you slice it the end result is loss of confidence by the public as a whole that they will 1. be protected and 2 that law will be applied/justice served

As it stands today we have a great many thieves that have gotten off scott free with no record of their crimes

The bank has already stated it is paying back everyone who lost a penny. I don't see why you keep saying anyone but the bank lost money.

So taxes are also just paid to buerocrats too? Does this mean our tax dollars are just to fill their wallets too? They seem to under this administration.

Yes. The clintons were let go. Wells Fargo was not. I don't see then paying huge fines and loosing their jobs.

The justice system did step in. It did fine. It did require the bank yo make everyone whole. The bank took the extra step to fire these people.

As for thieves without records, unless you do a felony, i.e. steal $5k in a single event, there is no criminal record. It's a misdemeanor. Should my neighbor who birriwed my $25 hammer and never returned it go to jail and have a record? Equivalent crime.

[jtodd_fl]

Originally Posted by bimmette

I need another chance!

Maybe you had to get off that lawn chair? Heh. I saw the picture! I tried to go to bat for you - you gotta help me out here.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Agreed completely with you bro!

Is pretty obvious we have some bankers here who obviously disagree. Imagine that...

Jail time is definitely deserved! This is exactly why these vampires keep pulling this bullshit. Slaps on the wrist. These employees will simply get jobs at other banks and continue the shenanigans.

Other banks aren't going to hire them. If anything, other banks were doing the same thing but wells was the first caught. This will however put an end to it at other banks too now as they don't want to get caught.