[GhostyM]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

I actually have driven a ferrari lol. But the 488.

I don't know where i lost some of you if you're thinking i am implying ferrari isn't a good brand. Who in their right mind would say ferrari isn't a great car brand? It is. It's what we all dreamed of driving when we were kids. Some were lucky to drive them, i drove one. Some were lucky to own one.

I am saying FOR THE PRICE, GM gave us their version of the 458 but better. Meaning it has a ferrari like sound (i still think it sounds better than the 458), it has more power, it has modern tech and looks and it has a warranty. For pennies when you compare it to actual supercar/exotic prices.

If i was rich, i'd have a ferrari, and still would want a z06. Which some ferrari owners are actually doing as said on the corvette forum.

But for the value and the potential performance it has, the z06 is a better buy over a 458. We can argue until our eyes bleed on how we're interpreting what is "better". I'm saying in todays world, for the price, the value of performance, GM gave us a better version of the 458.

Agree with you 100%.

I have a Huracan EVO that I paid close to 320k for and it's not 3x the car the Z06 is or ever will be. But I do still absolutely love it. I'm incredibly excited for a Z06, much more than I would for a 458.

Why? Because a 458 is old tech in my eyes. The DCT is sloppy and the looks are slowly wearing on me. The interior is not the best and the modern amenities in newer cars is too good to pass up. 458 is an awesome car, but it just doesn't compare to modern amenities you can get. A C8 Z06 is like the cheaper revival of that platform.

To piggy off the 458 problem... did you know that an 2016 Aventador SV has no native bluetooth? Yeah neither did I until it was too late. Imagine.

If I want a high revving V8, good power, and a fun, modern car. I'm going Z06 all day.
Can't wait for mine in fact! Got a good spot at the big 3!

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by GhostyM

Agree with you 100%.

I have a Huracan EVO that I paid close to 320k for and it's not 3x the car the Z06 is or ever will be. But I do still absolutely love it. I'm incredibly excited for a Z06, much more than I would for a 458.

Why? Because a 458 is old tech in my eyes. The DCT is sloppy and the looks are slowly wearing on me. The interior is not the best and the modern amenities in newer cars is too good to pass up. 458 is an awesome car, but it just doesn't compare to modern amenities you can get. A C8 Z06 is like the cheaper revival of that platform.

To piggy off the 458 problem... did you know that an 2016 Aventador SV has no native bluetooth? Yeah neither did I until it was too late. Imagine.

If I want a high revving V8, good power, and a fun, modern car. I'm going Z06 all day.
Can't wait for mine in fact! Got a good spot at the big 3!

If i could rep you with all of my points, i would lol.

Corvettes have been competing with supercars for decades. On the track, then that racing pedigree is implemented into their street cars. It's the reason why i got jumped on board back when the C5 was still out on the streets fairly new. It was a tough platform to beat. Lightweight (although no anymore LOL), big v8, very fast out of the box.

People who talk about finances just because one must like a less expensive car just shows insecurities. I could afford an exotic if i want to. If i wanted, i could get a used 458. But why would i do that? Just to say hey everyone i have a ferrari. I can only drive it 500 miles a year because if something breaks, it'll sit in the shop for 3 months, then i have a 30k bill when it's over.

No way. Fast out of the box production cars with warranties have more appeal to me than just trying to show off in a status car.

I have a stingray and the C8Z on the way. I'll have both in my house in the year 2023, although the stingray will come first. So clearly i could get an exotic if i wanted to if i cancel both C8 orders, and just get a used mclaren or something.

I don't want to do that. I like value for performance. I drive my cars. I don't even own a garage. My cars sit in the back of my house under car covers. I use my cars. They don't sit and get driven 1000 miles a year. Whenever i'm not a work, i'm in one of my cars taking aimless drives. I love cars. Doesn't matter what car really.

458 is a legendary car. One of my favorite cars of all time as i said. And it's the reason GM benchmarked it against the C8Z.

The C8Z is that car, although much heavier, but it's better. Bigger engine, more power, sounds better, with a warranty. Drizzled with modern tech, modern looks and better performance.

I can't see why anyone would go and look for a 458 unless you're a collector or just can't be seen "in a chevy" when you can try to score a C8Z which is a better buy, on all counts.

I don't care for badging, otherwise i wouldn't have a tesla, an M3 or a corvette at all. It'll just be a mclaren for a weekend toy, and perhaps something like a GT63 AMG for a daily.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Let me help.

Still don’t see it. I mean, there are some red lights…two wheels…the C8 still doesn’t have a camaro rear end or lights. Nothing in that last picture shows this either. This is like some kind of internet rumor that a bunch of people just agreed to without checking it out.

[Cos270]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Look at the Raptor R. MSRP of $107k, for a pickup truck.

A LT5 crate engine cost $20k. I could see the LT6 cost $30k+. Most of the Z06 price increase is in the engine and inflation.

LT6 will not be available as a crate engine lol, are you insane?

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Cos270

LT6 will not be available as a crate engine lol, are you insane?

Not insane at all, per an interview at Sema with GM’s Director for the Performance and Racing Propulsion Team, Russ O’Blenes. A decision has yet to be made. Supply chain will probably be the deciding factor.

"General Motors has considered offering a 5.5L V8 LT6 crate engine, but with demand for the 2023 Corvette Z06 already extremely high, a concrete decision has yet to be made."

[Cos270]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Not insane at all, per an interview at Sema with GM’s Director for the Performance and Racing Propulsion Team, Russ O’Blenes. A decision has yet to be made. Supply chain will probably be the deciding factor.

"General Motors has considered offering a 5.5L V8 LT6 crate engine, but with demand for the 2023 Corvette Z06 already extremely high, a concrete decision has yet to be made."

I will be astonished if they do. The engine is almost completely unique compared to any other V8 GM makes. I don't see them having the capacity to pump out any more of them above the quantities already allocated for customer vehicles, supply chain issues or not. I don't think people understand what a huge undertaking it is for a company as big (and standardized) as GM to make an engine like this…

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

99 percent of car dudes buy the car that's at their very limit of affording.

I ordered a new BRZ when I can afford to go buy a new 718. We bought a very modest home when the bank approved me for 3x more.

Not everyone likes to live at the extremes of their budget.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

I ordered a new BRZ when I can afford to go buy a new 718. We bought a very modest home when the bank approved me for 3x more.

Not everyone likes to live at the extremes of their budget.

Exactly. Like why get an m3 then? Get an m8 competition which is like 150k.

Or why do people get a z06, wait for the zora which would probably cost 200k.

Buying or liking a car that’s less expensive doesn’t always mean you can’t afford something more expensive.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Exactly. Like why get an m3 then? Get an m8 competition which is like 150k.

Or why do people get a z06, wait for the zora which would probably cost 200k.

Buying or liking a car that’s less expensive doesn’t always mean you can’t afford something more expensive.

Granted, I'd love a new 718, but I just can't justify it. We both work from home and have been sharing a car that last year and a half. I sold my NC last year because I put 900 miles on it in one year. I got it right after the pandemic started, so it was basically our "brunch" car.

But I decided I wanted a fun car again.

I've already got the custom spec'd suspension here for the BRZ and it isn't even built yet.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

I ordered a new BRZ when I can afford to go buy a new 718. We bought a very modest home when the bank approved me for 3x more.

Not everyone likes to live at the extremes of their budget.

I'm not talking about some beater you take to lunch. If someone is shopping for a performance car, and can afford an M3/4 there not going to buy 330I unless they cant afford it. Sure , they may say it suits them better but I call Bs. Same as a Porsche. You most likely going to buy the highest model you can afford. Even something like the new Supra. If you can afford the 6 cylinder, that's what most CAR dudes are buying? Get my drift? That's all I'm saying. My daily work vehicle is 2018 F-150 baby. Very high end 🤣. I mean, I wish I could afford a 765LT, but I can't so if I ever go for a MaC it's going to be a lower model.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Granted, I'd love a new 718, but I just can't justify it. We both work from home and have been sharing a car that last year and a half. I sold my NC last year because I put 900 miles on it in one year. I got it right after the pandemic started, so it was basically our "brunch" car.

But I decided I wanted a fun car again.

I've already got the custom spec'd suspension here for the BRZ and it isn't even built yet.

My work commute is 8 miles one way. I rarely drive for work purposes that’s why I got a Tesla.

So the m3 and my c7z and both my c8’s that’ll arrive in 2023 are unnecessary but I got them because that’s my enjoyment.

I could clearly afford an exotic if I wanted to but I didn’t need to say that to prove to anyone on the internet lol.

But it is what it is. I still believe the c8z is a better bang for buck over most exotics. Plain and simple.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

My work commute is 8 miles one way. I rarely drive for work purposes that’s why I got a Tesla.

So the m3 and my c7z and both my c8’s that’ll arrive in 2023 are unnecessary but I got them because that’s my enjoyment.

I could clearly afford an exotic if I wanted to but I didn’t need to say that to prove to anyone on the internet lol.

But it is what it is. I still believe the c8z is a better bang for buck over most exotics. Plain and simple.

I would LOVE a new C8Z. I think they look awesome, and that engine. What a marvel by GM.

I just don't make that kind of coin. Now if I get this AWS gig I'm trying to get, I might be able to afford something a bit more insane.

A big part of me wants a loaded out CT4-V Blackwing.

[Humdizzle]

I agree not everyone tries to reach for the exotic. I mean its cool to experience it. I'd probably pick the 458 over a C8 z06 if i just started coming into money recently. But since i've already had a 458, the c8z makes more sense. I have a GM dealer down the street. parts will be cheap. and its 10 years newer with a warranty. i can get close to ferrari experience without all the drawbacks of keeping low miles and being raked over the coals for servicing. Granted, 458s are pretty cheap to service... but there is always the risk of something catastrophic happening.

i dont think the z06 will get the same attention as a 458 or R8 / Huracan. Valet probably wont put it in front of the fancy restaurant... if that matters to you. People wont come up to you at a gas station thinking your a millionaire.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

I agree not everyone tries to reach for the exotic. I mean its cool to experience it. I'd probably pick the 458 over a C8 z06 if i just started coming into money recently. But since i've already had a 458, the c8z makes more sense. I have a GM dealer down the street. parts will be cheap. and its 10 years newer with a warranty. i can get close to ferrari experience without all the drawbacks of keeping low miles and being raked over the coals for servicing. Granted, 458s are pretty cheap to service... but there is always the risk of something catastrophic happening.

i dont think the z06 will get the same attention as a 458 or R8 / Huracan. Valet probably wont put it in front of the fancy restaurant... if that matters to you. People wont come up to you at a gas station thinking your a millionaire.

What do you think about Ferrari Power15 extended warranty(Engine, Gearbox, PTU, Suspension, Steering and Electrical Systems), $4500/year. Expensive, but complete peace of mind with Ferrari roadside assistance thrown in.

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by M3WC

What do you think about Ferrari Power15 extended warranty(Engine, Gearbox, PTU, Suspension, Steering and Electrical Systems), $4500/year. Expensive, but complete peace of mind with Ferrari roadside assistance thrown in.

that seems like a good deal. sometimes dealers can negotiate on this and work into the financing. i ran mine without warranty for 3-4 years and 7000 miles. annual service was about 1000 at indy shop (oil change and general lookover). slightly cheaper than what the porsche dealer charges on my 991.2 gt3. I did have a weird sound develop in one shock which was $4k to change. so overall about 7-8k to service for 3 years. so i beat out the warranty by $8k or so.

just depends on how it will be driven, and if you buy a 2010 vs 2015 (2010s had the trans issue pop up more often). if you're daily driving it 5-7k miles a year then the warranty definitely makes sense. if its a 2015 and just a nice weather toy that will maybe see 1-2k miles a year you probably don't need it.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by M3WC

What do you think about Ferrari Power15 extended warranty(Engine, Gearbox, PTU, Suspension, Steering and Electrical Systems), $4500/year. Expensive, but complete peace of mind with Ferrari roadside assistance thrown in.

Personally I like to self insure/warranty as much as possible. I'd just save the $4500/year and bet Id come out ahead in the long run. Am I really thinking that there's a good enough chance that I'm going to have $14,000 in maintenance and repairs over 3 years that I'm willing to pre pay? Nuts! If you are considering a used Ferrari you should have enough scratch to cover any potential exposure from service and repair issues.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

that seems like a good deal. sometimes dealers can negotiate on this and work into the financing. i ran mine without warranty for 3-4 years and 7000 miles. annual service was about 1000 at indy shop (oil change and general lookover). slightly cheaper than what the porsche dealer charges on my 991.2 gt3. I did have a weird sound develop in one shock which was $4k to change. so overall about 7-8k to service for 3 years. so i beat out the warranty by $8k or so.

just depends on how it will be driven, and if you buy a 2010 vs 2015 (2010s had the trans issue pop up more often). if you're daily driving it 5-7k miles a year then the warranty definitely makes sense. if its a 2015 and just a nice weather toy that will maybe see 1-2k miles a year you probably don't need it.

Holy crap, $4k for one shock? A lot of you guys are just operating at a completely different level.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by M3WC

What do you think about Ferrari Power15 extended warranty(Engine, Gearbox, PTU, Suspension, Steering and Electrical Systems), $4500/year. Expensive, but complete peace of mind with Ferrari roadside assistance thrown in.

The PTU is only on the Lusso/FF and the warranty for the V12 is more like $6k/year while the V8 is $4500ish. IMO if you can afford some out of pocket expenses and have a good indy shop nearby it's not worth it, but I have seen the occasional DCT complete replacement which is like $40k. PTU is $30-40k from Ferrari but the aftermarket fix for it is about $10k and actually solves the problem instead of just getting a new unit that can also go bad. My FF had 41k miles and never had PTU replaced.

I think if a large expense would ruin you financially then it could be worth it for peace of mind, but the warranty also doesn't cover oil leaks which can be a huge expense to fix at the dealer and you also have to get service done there to maintain the warranty which is twice the price of an indy. So it's not just the $4500, it's the dealer labor rate for everything else too.

I don't know if Ferrari is still offering the buy one year of CPO get one year free deal, but if you are looking at a CPO car that would be much more ideal than $4500/year. Of course, you are also paying a dealer CPO price for the car too, so there's that.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

Personally I like to self insure/warranty as much as possible. I'd just save the $4500/year and bet Id come out ahead in the long run. Am I really thinking that there's a good enough chance that I'm going to have $14,000 in maintenance and repairs over 3 years that I'm willing to pre pay? Nuts! If you are considering a used Ferrari you should have enough scratch to cover any potential exposure from service and repair issues.

The big expense is the DCT taking a dump. I have seen some people quote over $50k to have it replaced at their dealer. A new unit is $30k at ScuderiaParts website plus labor at an indy is proably another $5k. A lot of people don't have $35-50k laying around for a big expense. You don't need to be rich to own a Ferrari....I used a HELOC to buy mine and all it cost me was $200/month in interest while the car value went up $40k. I am not rich.

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Holy crap, $4k for one shock? A lot of you guys are just operating at a completely different level.

Yes the shocks are expensive. When I bought a CPO FF the dealer had to replace two shocks as part of the CPO inspection and said it was around $9k retail cost. I think they're even more on the 599.

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Holy crap, $4k for one shock? A lot of you guys are just operating at a completely different level.

it sucked but it comes with the territory. in the end, like i said i spent 8k in maintenance and repairs over 3 years. the msrp was like 270k. so basically i spent 2-3% of the cars value on upkeep.

same as spending 1400 over 3 years on an M3s maintenance. some guys blow through that immediately doing a CH or rod bearing fix.

at least thats how i justify it to myself lmao.

[Mike00]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

If i could rep you with all of my points, i would lol.

Corvettes have been competing with supercars for decades. On the track, then that racing pedigree is implemented into their street cars. It's the reason why i got jumped on board back when the C5 was still out on the streets fairly new. It was a tough platform to beat. Lightweight (although no anymore LOL), big v8, very fast out of the box.

People who talk about finances just because one must like a less expensive car just shows insecurities. I could afford an exotic if i want to. If i wanted, i could get a used 458. But why would i do that? Just to say hey everyone i have a ferrari. I can only drive it 500 miles a year because if something breaks, it'll sit in the shop for 3 months, then i have a 30k bill when it's over.

No way. Fast out of the box production cars with warranties have more appeal to me than just trying to show off in a status car.

I have a stingray and the C8Z on the way. I'll have both in my house in the year 2023, although the stingray will come first. So clearly i could get an exotic if i wanted to if i cancel both C8 orders, and just get a used mclaren or something.

I don't want to do that. I like value for performance. I drive my cars. I don't even own a garage. My cars sit in the back of my house under car covers. I use my cars. They don't sit and get driven 1000 miles a year. Whenever i'm not a work, i'm in one of my cars taking aimless drives. I love cars. Doesn't matter what car really.

458 is a legendary car. One of my favorite cars of all time as i said. And it's the reason GM benchmarked it against the C8Z.

The C8Z is that car, although much heavier, but it's better. Bigger engine, more power, sounds better, with a warranty. Drizzled with modern tech, modern looks and better performance.

I can't see why anyone would go and look for a 458 unless you're a collector or just can't be seen "in a chevy" when you can try to score a C8Z which is a better buy, on all counts.

I don't care for badging, otherwise i wouldn't have a tesla, an M3 or a corvette at all. It'll just be a mclaren for a weekend toy, and perhaps something like a GT63 AMG for a daily.

So I agree with a lot of wha you said particular the work/maintenance aspect.

I have a c7 Z06 M7 that I love and will never give up. With manuals going away this one is staying in the garage. I was very curious about the new C8 Z06 and while i still think it’s a great car I do wonder if it’s pushing too high in price. When you start approaching 911 GTS or 718 GT4 (or even RS) price points; a car I can get with a manual and I expect will hold it’s price point far better…. I don’t know. I’m not saying it’s a faster car but the experience of those cars and the overall value - might be a much tighter race. Before I wouldn’t even consider it because it wasn’t even approaching the 911 S territory which is the very level of car in that range I’d consider.

Anyway no doubt the vette is a great car but when you start bumping up against these cars - well tougher decision.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

We'll know when the price is too high for anything when it's not selling. The Z06 being in backorder for years is evidence that it is probably underpriced. Dealers adding market adjustments provides further evidence.

Dealers add ADM because they are scum. Even Kia dealers do. Yea, you running out to buy a Kia now? Didn't think so