[Tejas1836]

[QUOTE=gblansten;31790500]

ICE fire data versus EV fire data suggests that the fire risk per number of vehicles is higher with ICE. It would appear at this point that it is safer to transport kids via EV tech. This is separate from cost and logistic issues though. I don't mind disagreeing on this at all. Over time data will emerge that resolves this debate.

I agree overall with the data number of fires EV vs ICE although some suggest otherwise. I think some of the data favoring lower EV fire rate may be related to vehicle age as on average ICE vehicles are older and probably most low cost EVs are taken out of service at a younger age due to battery degradation and subsequent replacement costs.
I do not agree with electric school buses because of the batteries location directly above or below passengers and more importantly the increased time for egress of disabled children, I just do not think the risk benefit ratio is there.
Sincerely, and I am serious, have a blessed day.

[DrFerry]

Cross Threaded to: "EU shooting its [EV] carmakers in the foot" thread and post.
https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2159838
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https://www.m3post.com/forums/showpo...46&postcount=5

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by carseatsm5

Fire at world's 2nd largest battery storage facility in Monterey Co. forces evacuations

https://abc7news.com/post/fire-moss-...ures/15809742/


“Firefighters are not engaging the fire and are waiting for it to burn out on its own. It is unknown how long the fire will last.”

Toxic smoke spewing out uncontrolled and of course 'official' statement of cause of fire unknown.

[kudos]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Toxic smoke spewing out uncontrolled and of course 'official' statement of cause of fire unknown.

It's also next to like 5 nature preserves.

Nobody is discussing the environmental impact of these battery producing companies though like they would if it was an oil refinery.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by kudos

It's also next to like 5 nature preserves.

Nobody is discussing the environmental impact of these battery producing companies though like they would if it was an oil refinery.

In California the environmental impact of this plant has come up some in the realm of public policy.

Here is some of that discussion:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2025/01/...ergy-industry/

https://www.kron4.com/news/californi...s-evacuations/

https://www.thecalifornian.com/story...y/77785430007/

Here is a complaint lodged with the California Energy Commission:

https://efiling.energy.ca.gov/GetDoc...aspx?tn=261139

Here is the California Energy Commission link for all of its documents on this power plant:

https://www.energy.ca.gov/powerplant...ng-power-plant

Here is an article from 2023 where residents were worried about this battery project:

https://www.sfgate.com/centralcoast/...t-18140283.php

Another article from 2023 in opposition to this plant change:

https://www.newtimesslo.com/news/mor...plant-13908695

Here is a link to the 2019 initial application for the County of Monterrey on the battery plant:

https://monterey.legistar.com/Legisl...131&FullText=1

Here is a link on that page above and is 64 pages long on the initial environmental impact:

https://monterey.legistar.com/View.a...F-9321DB3C7DEA


Here is the initial biology letter on impact:

https://monterey.legistar.com/View.a...0-EC7238DC1D2F

This is just the tip of the iceberg. It's impressive the sheer amount of human activity and discussion that has gone into this one single plant.



What were you seeing that led you to think that no one was discussing this?

[kudos]

Originally Posted by gblansten

In California the environmental impact of this plant has come up some in the realm of public policy.

Here is some of that discussion:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2025/01/...ergy-industry/

https://www.kron4.com/news/californi...s-evacuations/

https://www.thecalifornian.com/story...y/77785430007/

Here is a complaint lodged with the California Energy Commission:

https://efiling.energy.ca.gov/GetDoc...aspx?tn=261139

Here is the California Energy Commission link for all of its documents on this power plant:

https://www.energy.ca.gov/powerplant...ng-power-plant

Here is an article from 2023 where residents were worried about this battery project:

https://www.sfgate.com/centralcoast/...t-18140283.php

Another article from 2023 in opposition to this plant change:

https://www.newtimesslo.com/news/mor...plant-13908695

Here is a link to the 2019 initial application for the County of Monterrey on the battery plant:

https://monterey.legistar.com/Legisl...131&FullText=1

Here is a link on that page above and is 64 pages long on the initial environmental impact:

https://monterey.legistar.com/View.a...F-9321DB3C7DEA


Here is the initial biology letter on impact:

https://monterey.legistar.com/View.a...0-EC7238DC1D2F

This is just the tip of the iceberg. It's impressive the sheer amount of human activity and discussion that has gone into this one single plant.



What were you seeing that led you to think that no one was discussing this?

The fact that what happened still happened. If it was an oil refinery nobody would have allowed it to be built in that location.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by kudos

The fact that what happened still happened. If it was an oil refinery nobody would have allowed it to be built in that location.

I’m gobsmacked that any large facility can be built in California with its dense laws on building and abstruse environmental and legal hurdles. Just look at their high speed rail debacle.

[M5Rick]

'Porsche are having to look at ways to put gas engines back into models originally intended for EV's'.

[RM7]

More ICE fuel transport deaths

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nigerian-...195150282.html

[carseatsm5]

Originally Posted by carseatsm5

Fire at world's 2nd largest battery storage facility in Monterey Co. forces evacuations

https://abc7news.com/post/fire-moss-...ures/15809742/


“Firefighters are not engaging the fire and are waiting for it to burn out on its own. It is unknown how long the fire will last.”

I get what the resident EV apologists are trying to do here with posts about other non EV fires but we should all be able to acknowledge that new plants of this scale don’t usually just combust and if they do I don’t think fire fighters usually respond by helplessly letting them burn. That’s quite a piece of news.

And to question how it was even built in such a naturally vulnerable location in such an environmentalist state sort of makes the point of the anti-EV crowd. The rules are seemingly suspended in the name of pushing along the EV agenda even to the detriment of its own purported ends. Seems very rational to me to then question what the goal really is here.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by carseatsm5

The rules are seemingly suspended in the name of pushing along the EV agenda even to the detriment of its own purported ends. Seems very rational to me to then question what the goal really is here.

Maybe, but the title of the thread is pretty clear.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Maybe, but the title of the thread is pretty clear.

There are dozens of things that lead up to the title with logic and this is one of them.