[carve]

Originally Posted by NYCGP

yay!! More ignorance! Not biased at all carve, are you? NY most definitely doesn't have a collection of the greatest museums in the world. It doesn't have some of the best nightlife in the world. It doesn't have great restaurants. Culturally, NYC is a Mecca.

But carve is more interested in talking about the weather and the beach...

NY does have some of the world's best food, but there's great stuff in LA, too. Bad resturaunts don't last long in expensive areas. San Fran is tops though.

They both have great museums and stuff (ever been to the Getty Center?), but that doesn't count for much when it comes to deciding where to live. How often do you go to the museum? Could you go about as much as you do now if you just visited every now and then? It's like saying LA is superior because of all the amusement parks. I wouldn't even consider listing that as a reason for living there.

Doing stuff outside...going to the beach (if available)...not being in dreary shade all the time, year-round greenery ...those are every-day quality-of-life type issue.

I'd take easy access to mountain biking, water sports, skiing, hiking etc. over a bunch of overpriced bars and restuarunts 10 out of 10 times (although Mammoth is still a bit of a haul, but 10x better than anything on the east coast, and big bear and baldy are VERY close). Besides- if that's your thing there's plenty of nightlife around LA, too. I frankly don't know which place is better though for $15 beers and screaming "WHAT?" to the person 2' away. That really doesn't interest me in either city. Please enlighten me...what's better about night clubs in NY, and do you think that's an important quality of life issue for most?

Basically, you can get great food and drink in either spot...so what makes NY better?

[NYCGP]

Originally Posted by carve

NY does have some of the world's best food, but there's great stuff in LA, too. Bad resturaunts don't last long in expensive areas. San Fran is tops though.

They both have great museums and stuff (ever been to the Getty Center?), but that doesn't count for much when it comes to deciding where to live. How often do you go to the museum? Could you go about as much as you do now if you just visited every now and then? It's like saying LA is superior because of all the amusement parks. I wouldn't even consider listing that as a reason for living there.

Doing stuff outside...going to the beach (if available)...not being in dreary shade all the time...that's an every-day quality-of-life type issue.

I'd take easy access to mountain biking, water sports, and skiing (although mammoth is still a bit of a haul) over a bunch of bars 10 out of 10 times. Besides- if that's your thing there's plenty of nightlife around LA, too. I frankly don't know which place is better though for $15 beers and screaming "WHAT?" to the person 2' away. Please enlighten me...what's better about night clubs in LA, and do you think that's an important quality of life issue for most?

You do realize that the time it takes for you to get to your mountain biking destination you could be driving just as far north or west of manhattan to do the EXACT SAME THING. We have mountains. I go wake boarding a few times a month. So we have watersports. I want to go to the beach? I go out east. Or you can go to "The Shore"... Not my style.. but some like it.. Hell I can even take the Jitney! Don't even need a car!

The beach.. well can't compare with you there. One is in a Tropical climate the other is Subtropical.

Culture Culture Culture Culture. That is all you hear from people that live in NYC. You have shows, museums, classical music, BROADWAY..

I stand by my point that they are different places. They have different things. If you like warm weather and fancy palm trees... NYC is not the place for you. If you believe christmas should be associated with snow covered trees and a warm jacket.. NYC is rather nice.

[carve]

Probably just the way I was raised. I've always seen concerts, theatre, museums, etc. as an every now and then thing rather than entertainment you do several times per week. How often do you go see boradway plays? I live in the high-desert, and I'm on the bike, skis, or hiking trails 3-4 days per week. If I lived in LA one or two of those days would probably be replaced with time on a surf board, wearing Scuba gear off the chanel islands, or in a Kayak. The opportunities for that kind of thing just aren't as plentiful in NY. Besides- it's a lot less likely in NY you'll even be able to afford a car to take you to those activities, much less be able to have enough space to store all the gear.

Oh- and east-coast skiing just flat out sucks.

BTW...has anyone else noticed the tags in this thread?

[NYCGP]

Originally Posted by carve

Probably just the way I was raised. I've always seen concerts, theatre, museums, etc. as an every now and then thing rather than entertainment you do several times per week. I live in the desert, and I'm on the bike, skis, or hiking trails 3-4 days per week. If I lived in LA one or two of those days would probably be replaced with time on a surf board, wearing Scuba gear off the chanel islands, or in a Kayak. The opportunities for that kind of thing just aren't as plentiful in NY. Besides- it's a lot less likely in NY you'll even be able to afford a car to take you to those activities, much less be able to have enough space to store all the gear.

BTW...has anyone else noticed the tags in this thread?

You're absolutely right about the car thing. You are stuck in the city most of the time unless you know someone or have access to transportation.

It's like that old saying, "What's better than owning a boat? Knowing someone who owns a boat!"

[bulldog_yyc]

Originally Posted by Edward

CFA, not anything I have any desire in getting because I have no desire to be a PM. MBA is definitely still a goal, but that's a whole different struggle due to the fact that I'd have to go to a fully employed program. Anyhow, regarding the company support, I won't go into the details of that. As with any job in this field, if you go, your contacts go. So the best of the worst case for them is for me to stay with the firm in a different capacity.

LOL, not all charterholders are PMs, certainly not me, do some more research on the designation. Im sure it could help your profile even if you want to remain as an asset manager. Hell, it may even show initiative even if you dont do it all the way. My point was that its highly competitive and having either a CFA or MBA would get you level with the competition for most well paying jobs on the street so you could actually enjoy living in NYC.

[ragingclue]

I can't stand Coasters from either side of the country, to be quite honest... However, saying the girls in NYC are ugly is just not true. The two cities are so damn different, it's really impossible to "bench race" to determine which is better. Chances are, based on your personality alone, one city may be awesome and the other complete shit. Sometimes, people like them both, but they're polar opposites in many ways.

[NYCGP]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

I can't stand Coasters from either side of the country, to be quite honest... However, saying the girls in NYC are ugly is just not true. The two cities are so damn different, it's really impossible to "bench race" to determine which is better. Chances are, based on your personality alone, one city may be awesome and the other complete shit. Sometimes, people like them both, but they're polar opposites in many ways.

Raging is right.. the girls from the midwest are ugly until they move to the coast and become pornstars or table hostesses.

[carve]

Finally something we can agree on: the area between the New York and the rocky mountains holds the national strategic ugly chick reserve. Most of the hot ones move to the coasts.

Ugly chick density is displayed on this chart, provided by the CDC

[Edward]

You guys are talking about some pretty "out there" factors that would influence your decision to live in one place vs the other.

For me, the real impacts are the following:

Having to take a loss at selling a new car I just bought since I don't need it in NY.
The whole job thing
Potentially losing a lot of my past earned income if I change companies (this is the big one because I'd be throwing away half of all the bonuses I've ever received).
Potentially really missing the easy weather of LA
Being further away from parents
Potentially arriving to the point where I'm about to settle down and wondering why the hell I ever moved to the city...and ending up wishing I stayed in CA to raise a family.
I'll miss hiking and spirited drives
I thought I'd miss friends, but I can simply make new ones. Not that hard.

[carve]

So....uhhhh...what are the good points for moving then?

[Edward]

Originally Posted by turkish335

LOL, not all charterholders are PMs, certainly not me, do some more research on the designation. Im sure it could help your profile even if you want to remain as an asset manager. Hell, it may even show initiative even if you dont do it all the way. My point was that its highly competitive and having either a CFA or MBA would get you level with the competition for most well paying jobs on the street so you could actually enjoy living in NYC.

come on man. I know what a CFA is. I watched my sr partner struggle on level 2 two yrs in a row before passing level 3 and finally getting that obnoxiously large certification framed on his wall. I get that it makes anyone look much better. If I could pick between the two, I'd rather have a CFA than an MBA because it's probably a more distinctive point in many circles. It's just not completely in line with what I may end up wanting to do. I'm not about to burn 3 yrs of my life killing myself over it.

[ragingclue]

Wow it's like Chicago is the Chosain Reservoir and obese people are the North Koreans.... I guess that makes me Chesty Puller?

[Edward]

Originally Posted by carve

So....uhhhh...what are the good points for moving then?

So the good points for me personally are:

If I were to move, it'd hopefully be for a job I enjoy more (this is of course the most important factor..without it, I wouldn't even consider).
I straight up prefer the city to LA
Better food/restaurants
extremely convenient if you need to just run out and grab a bite, pick up a small load of groceries, etc.
Culturally amazing with so many more different types of people
fantastic museums and art galleries
no chance whatsoever of ever getting another speeding ticket
perfectly suitable public transportation
less fake people
less fake boobs and tans
hotter girls in my opinion
much better shopping
the city just seems much more centered around a single person's lifestyle

I don't know. My take on NY won't be as accurate as my take on LA since I've never actually lived there. I've visited a ton, and that is not a proper proxy for actually going through the grind of being there 365.

[TiAg335i]

weather would be the biggest thing deterring me from moving to NYC if i wasn't already here. it's COLD in the winter, many times during the winter it is bone chilling cold. late fall and early spring in NYC sucks, weather wise.

the summer is HOT and HUMID. you will sweat 24/7 esp considering you won't drive. the summer most of the time though is very very pleasant. not ridiculously hot, and it's not always humid.

[Edward]

Originally Posted by TiAg335i

weather would be the biggest thing deterring me from moving to NYC if i wasn't already here. it's COLD in the winter, many times during the winter it is bone chilling cold. late fall and early spring in NYC sucks, weather wise.

the summer is HOT and HUMID. you will sweat 24/7 esp considering you won't drive. the summer most of the time though is very very pleasant. not ridiculously hot, and it's not always humid.

I'd have to agree. It's literally impossible for me to gauge just how much it would bother me. I've never lived in a cold climate. Just on Monday night I was eating in the west village and I got so insanely annoyed at how HOT it was from just walking. I'd sweat through any shirt that wasn't a t shirt...and don't even get me started on my daily suit I'd have to wear. In LA I can wear a tropical weight wool suit year round.

[grieverr]

Originally Posted by Edward

Of course Manhattan is a specific area. I could even get more specific because I know the neighborhoods I'd likely move to, but isn't that the point?

I guess, but again, for me, being "trapped" in Manhattan was an issue (and again, maybe an extension of me liking open spaces). It seems that if you want to get away, its easier to do in LA.
Forgive my ignorance because I've never been, but isn't it easy to hop in your car and get to the beach, the golf course, etc...? To me, it felt like doing those things out of Manhattan were quite a drag. Especially if you're not going to have a car.

[grieverr]

Edward,
seeing that there are less "financial people" in LA than in NY, wouldn't you be a more valuable asset than in NY where you'd be drowning in a sea of competition?

Not that I'm trying to dissuade you (personally, I wouldn't move too far from NY), but just a thought.

[Edward]

Originally Posted by grieverr

Edward,
seeing that there are less "financial people" in LA than in NY, wouldn't you be a more valuable asset than in NY where you'd be drowning in a sea of competition?

Not that I'm trying to dissuade you (personally, I wouldn't move too far from NY), but just a thought.

I'd like to think I'm valuable anywhere. The competition is just that. Competition. It's everywhere, and I welcome it. Any job worth having in this industry is one you have to fight hard for, and the big fights go down in Manhattan. I guess I'd rather go up against the largest talent pool and fall on my face, then hang out in LA and cruise by.

[grieverr]

ok, and maybe my last negative comment, but don't underestimate the impact of weather.

-I know a few people that get depressed in the winter (I guess similar to people in Seattle with the rain).
-You would have to change the way you dress (not a big deal, i guess).
-every year, people do get serious injuries from slip-and-falls
-mass transit gets worse and more crowded
-if you don't enjoy winter activities, it can be a long, boring season
-waking up in the morning or trying to sleep in a cold apartment really, really sucks (if you have heating problems or your super/landlord is cheap)

not weather related....roaches and rats.

[.:bHd:.]

I think you're just confused and think the grass is greener. Stay where you are and make the best of it. Looks like you're gonna throw a lot out of the door just to try something thats not certain.

[grieverr]

Now, I just wanted to finally add that I do love NYC. Maybe, like anywhere, once you've lived somewhere for so long, the magic just kinda fades. And maybe something new becomes very attractive. Like for me, I think I'd love to try the sunny Cali weather, clean and blue-water beaches, and easy-going attitude for a few years. I'd love to have Vegas and the wine country so close. And maybe not so much anymore, but there is Mexico, too!

From NY, you've got the city, the Hamptons, Cape Cod, and PA as your "country getaway"!

[bulldog_yyc]

Originally Posted by Edward

come on man. I know what a CFA is. I watched my sr partner struggle on level 2 two yrs in a row before passing level 3 and finally getting that obnoxiously large certification framed on his wall. I get that it makes anyone look much better. If I could pick between the two, I'd rather have a CFA than an MBA because it's probably a more distinctive point in many circles. It's just not completely in line with what I may end up wanting to do. I'm not about to burn 3 yrs of my life killing myself over it.

so basically you expect to make a better living somehow by being a nice guy?

EDIT: you should stay in LA