[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

I don't like the lines on the roof at all, how the white isn't a continuous line, where it reaches out towards the black portion, that just looks bad IMO. Also that spoiler, I don't know what's going on with it, there's a spoiler...and a wing. Any time you need multiple aerodynamics there it looks tacky. IDK, it just looks like they tried to tweak a bunch of stuff, but with no real direction.

The aerokit on the 991 also had a spoiler and a wing attached together

[paliknight]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

I don't like the lines on the roof at all, how the white isn't a continuous line, where it reaches out towards the black portion, that just looks bad IMO. Also that spoiler, I don't know what's going on with it, there's a spoiler...and a wing. Any time you need multiple aerodynamics there it looks tacky. IDK, it just looks like they tried to tweak a bunch of stuff, but with no real direction.

Also bugs me that the frunk line goes past the bumper line instead of being flush.

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by yco

997 starts from 1420-1430kg..
991 starts from 1380kg..
992 starts from 1500ish kg..

its not that weird cause.. new regulations, hybrid ready stronger chassis, 8 speed PDK, motorized handles, motorized steering wheel adjustment etc added some fat to the car..

This is true. The car got a good bit wider, bigger wheels and tires, more luxury, more gears and readiness for hybrid. It’s still 300 lbs lighter than an M3/4 with Dct which are 3700+ lbs. Even a 488 GTB is 3500 lbs, and the 911 is lighter.

Just wait until the new M3/4 with Awd and an auto gearbox are 2 tons. The 911 is still very light and it’s prepared for the hybrid which other cars aren’t as well visualized.

[Red Bread]

For what it's worth 488's are more like 3,400 and Pistas are around 3,250 and Ferrari's stupid dry weight for the F8 is 2,932, so it should be around 80-100 pounds lighter than a Pista once you add some fuel, coolant and oil. Dry weight. Idiots.

[WestRace]

Here's the 992 S vs. the rivals. Like Jeremy Clarkson, I can't seem to get the whole Porsche thing. There's a rumor that the next 911 will be mid engine.

https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...-992-vs-Rivals

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by WestRace

Here's the 992 S vs. the rivals. Like Jeremy Clarkson, I can't seem to get the whole Porsche thing. There's a rumor that the next 911 will be mid engine.

https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...-992-vs-Rivals

Try driving one instead of reading about it. Then you’ll get it.

[WestRace]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

Try driving one instead of reading about it. Then you’ll get it.

Already did.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by WestRace

Here's the 992 S vs. the rivals. Like Jeremy Clarkson, I can't seem to get the whole Porsche thing. There's a rumor that the next 911 will be mid engine.

https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...-992-vs-Rivals

Since your are in LA, I recommend the Porsche Driving Experience. Choose either the GT3 or GT3RS. After that I’m sure you will get the hype.

[WestRace]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

Since your are in LA, I recommend the Porsche Driving Experience. Choose either the GT3 or GT3RS. After that I’m sure you will get the hype.

Like I said, I already did.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by WestRace

Like I said, I already did.

If you have driven a GT3RS and don’t get it, then you either have no pulse or lying.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

If you have driven a GT3RS and don’t get it, then you either have no pulse or lying.

Or you hate cars

[WestRace]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

If you have driven a GT3RS and don’t get it, then you either have no pulse or lying.

I've driven 911 turbo and a used 997 and 996 Carrera S. As I said there's something industrial about the drive train. I think M engines feel more special.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by WestRace

I've driven 911 turbo and a used 997 and 996 Carrera S. As I said there's something industrial about the drive train. I think M engines feel more special.

So you haven’t driven a NA 9,000 rpm screamer GT car. Like I said go drive one at Porsche Driving Experience in LA, right off the 405. 911 turbo is the last 911 model in the range I would get.

[WestRace]

But there's one I would get even having to sell my soul to the devil lols.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by WestRace

I've driven 911 turbo and a used 997 and 996 Carrera S. As I said there's something industrial about the drive train. I think M engines feel more special.

Do the GT3 experience at Porsche Experience Center LA, then come back to this thread. M cars are no comparison.

[Flacht3]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

Do the GT3 experience at Porsche Experience Center LA, then come back to this thread. M cars are no comparison.

As someone who has owned M cars (and LOVE them, no M hate here) I can say compared to my GT3...well there is no comparison.

I get feeling underwhelmed by some of the other Porsche models but it would be like driving a 330i and saying you don't get the whole BMW thing...

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by WestRace

I've driven 911 turbo and a used 997 and 996 Carrera S. As I said there's something industrial about the drive train. I think M engines feel more special.

So you haven't driven a GT car. If I've only driven an M6, an E46 325i and an E90 335i, why would I have any reason to say an F80 sucks?

[Gesler]

Well to be fair, the GT models are their top of the line versions. Not sure if you can generalize how a GT3 drives to the entire gazillion 911 models.

I agree with statement on the engine, the e90M engine is better than the 991.1 Carrera engine (I haven’t driven any other M or Older 911 engines). GT3 engine is a different beast but it better be given the price differential. As for the current GT3RS, only comes with automatic transmission.

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

So you haven’t driven a NA 9,000 rpm screamer GT car. Like I said go drive one at Porsche Driving Experience in LA, right off the 405. 911 turbo is the last 911 model in the range I would get.

GT cars are a different world than M cars. Even a base 911 is a better drive and more dynamic than M at its best and that’s Porsche entry level. Porsches all feel special. M cars fee mundane and pedestrian by comparison and it has by and large always been like this and that and the gap widens.

[mmmmQuattro]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

GT cars are a different world than M cars. Even a base 911 is a better drive and more dynamic than M at its best and that’s Porsche entry level. Porsches all feel special. M cars fee mundane and pedestrian by comparison and it has by and large always been like this and that and the gap widens.

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

Even a base 911 is a better drive and more dynamic than M at its best and that’s Porsche entry level. Porsches all feel special. M cars fee mundane and pedestrian by comparison and it has by and large always been like this and that and the gap widens.

That's an opinion, that I don't share at all.
M cars feel special and so do 911s - they are a completely different experience.

sorry, but I like driving my M4 more than my 997.1 c2s, except when on a tight winding road - that's when the 911, being lighter and smaller is a bit more fun, but not by much.

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by mmmmQuattro

That's an opinion, that I don't share at all.
M cars feel special and so do 911s - they are a completely different experience.

sorry, but I like driving my M4 more than my 997.1 c2s, except when on a tight winding road - that's when the 911, being lighter and smaller is a bit more fun, but not by much.

The 997 is what 15 years old now? A car that was developed in the early 2000s should be all you need to know. I prefer my 991.2S, my 718 GTS and even my Macan GTS over either my M3 or M4 that I owned - they are fun at any speed whereas the M cars aren’t even really fun driving fast because you have to hear the god awful sound of the thing. I don’t get the feeling that the current M cars are special...at least not comparably. The old Ms had engines that were great when they were high revving but in the turbo world, they don’t do it for me.
Porsches current line up continues to be some of, if not the best, cars on the market.

[Flacht3]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

The 997 is what 15 years old now? A car that was developed in the early 2000s should be all you need to know. I prefer my 991.2S, my 718 GTS and even my Macan GTS over either my M3 or M4 that I owned - they are fun at any speed whereas the M cars aren’t even really fun driving fast because you have to hear the god awful sound of the thing. I don’t get the feeling that the current M cars are special...at least not comparably. The old Ms had engines that were great when they were high revving but in the turbo world, they don’t do it for me.
Porsches current line up continues to be some of, if not the best, cars on the market.

Yes...but here's where current gen M cars still win:

A CPO F8X can easily be had for $45-$55k depending on what you're grabbing. In the Porsche range, you probably can't do much better than a pre-owned Cayman for that price and I'd take the F8X in that case. Even a pre-owned 718 GTS is going to cost you $70k+.

Would I prefer a Cayman GTS or any 991 911 over a F8X? Yes...but you're talking 40% more for the prior and almost double the cost for the latter.

Point is, M still wins on value, and price point does play a role in these debates.