[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Mii

BMW is trying every effort to recalibrate the ICE weight to match EV so that there won't be bias against EV weight! Pretty soon all the guardrails need a redesign!
Why not just offer lighter pure ICE M5?

Except when you realize the Mode S Plaid weighs 600lbs less than this thing.

[Mollyran]

With these weight figures, just make an i5M or something like that. It's the same story with AMG e-performance, lots of power but it's just not good enough.

[Tallest]

wow, thats pretty heavy...

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by M3WC

You have to admit this is on another level. When has a new M model had worse power-to-weight ratio? I can't think of one.

This car would not exist in this configuration without Gov regulations.

Power to weight ratio means nothing really, especially comparing full ICE to a Hybrid. Very different power delivery.
Every time they did something weird, we whined and then they surprised us with the performance. I would be surprised if the F90 outperforms G90

[Rafichicago]

Why so many here are surprised that it’s heavy ?

[chris s]

Originally Posted by robopp

That’s more than 2000lbs more than my 2023 911! How?!

Really? 911 compared to m5

[Rafichicago]

It will sell as well as that new C63 with 4 cylinder and all that power. Nobody wants those. You gents vote with your wallets and think twice before buying. I would definitely not buy one if in the market for it BEFORE driving one.

[DarkstarZero]

Almost heavy enough to meet section 179.

[tfunk88]

Sooooo it weighs more than my X5 50i?? 😳

[F32Fleet]

We all should really not underestimate how much of an impact tire companies like Michelin. Without them these heavy cars could not do what they do.

[ResIpsaLoquitur]

I’m not focusing on/do not care about the increases in size, weight, etc.

If BMW and/or M can give the G90 the special sauce that make this car as quick, enjoyable, and easy to live with as my F90s, I’m in as my DD; (though I’ll never give up the F90).

Do I believe this is entirely possible? Not really given the many, many reasons discussed in 6 pages of this thread. But one can hope. 🤞

[chris719]

A TT V8 hybrid makes no sense. Hybrids generally don't make sense for performance cars. They should just go full EV if they can't go ICE alone.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Slow in what metric? Maybe they will map the electric drive for 0-60. I see that being the marketing number. Quicker to 60mph by a couple of tenths maybe. Keep in mind C&D tested the F90 LCI at 2.8sec 0-60, 10.9 sec 1/4 and weighed in at 4,237lbs. How is the G90 going to hide 1,131 lbs on a track? Braking and cornering is going to suffer, physics don't lie. G90 technically has worse power-to-weight ratio, so it won't make up time on the straights.

brake pads and tires … bring a service truck with it

now cooling system must be an absolute nightmare … gl to anybody that plans to buy this creature

simply looking at engineering complexity this vehicle will have 0 value in max 10y … who will maintain it??

[nicksm3]

Going to need a mortgage for the consumables for this piggy. Tires, brakes..sheesh!

[signes]

Fat ass. What an embarrassment.

[G MONEY]

🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷

[OrmondBMW]

BMW should live by “simplify, then add lightness”

I sure as hell hope they’re not using the ultimate driving machine slogan anymore.

This is a disgrace to everything BMW used to stand for.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Mii

BMW is trying every effort to recalibrate the ICE weight to match EV so that there won't be bias against EV weight! Pretty soon all the guardrails need a redesign!
Why not just offer lighter pure ICE M5?

I think this is partially clickbait. Kinetic energy is 1/2*m*v^2. Note the v squared term. Going a few mph faster dramatically increases kinetic energy. A light car moving faster will do even more damage to the barrier. A 4000 lb car going 30 mph will be roughly equal to a 3000 lb car going 35 mph.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by fanofbmwe46

How does power to weight ratio compare to other M cars current and past?

Less power to weigh ratio ( hp/lb)compare to F90 M5 and F92/93/94 M8
More power to weight ratio (hp/lb) compare to G80/G81 M3 and G82/G83 M4

[M6-Coupe]

So basically E60 M5 still is the most fun M5 and F90 is the most powerful ICE M5
Most probably F90 will be the collection M5 in future...

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by MoeMuc

Come on guys, I cant believe no one considers the Panamera Turbo S e-Hybrid - it is the exact blueprint for the G90 concept with exactly the same weight - and it had to match some legal / emission requirements less and most important it has been made by the wizards from zuffenhausen and still it is a heavy pig.

I am absolutely not surprised by these G90 specs, to be honest I thought it would have a bigger and heavier battery.

I wish I could blame BMW for all this but that would mean that there is a chance that this can get any better. The sad truth is that this will become worse and worse with every generation - I remember being disappointed that my F90 competition LCI had nearly two tons and was 100 kg havier than my old non Comp first edition - sounds like two light weight vehicles from todays point of view…

I think (looking at the G series m2/m3/m4, also heavy af) BMW will somehow manage to hide some of the weight but knowing that Porsche is also pretty good in chassis tuning and knowing how the Panamera e hybrid drives, hmm, well let’s see..

Well Panamera is not a sport car and nobody can claim "it's build in track for track"... This is what exactly BMW advertises for M-Cars
speaking about Panamera let me leave this video here ....

[Alan l.]

Holy cow it weighs as much as my F95 X5MC