[JJacksonIII]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

For sure. But I wonder if this M5 Touring will eat into X5M sales. Same weight (give or take), lower to the ground, more efficient. I would probably go with the Touring myself and have an M3 or M8 as the second car.

That, I could see. I personally would still prefer the X5M, but can totally see someone opting for touring with the added HP and lower stance.

[justyjuice]

Originally Posted by 10"

Will never understand how some of you think you are BMW board members concerned with sales figures.

Enthusiasts don’t care about sales numbers. In fact some of the most special cars have LOW sales.

We care about dynamics, design, enthusiasm. This M5 has none of those things.

A great case in example is the XM and XM Label could not agree more 👍🏼!!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by justyjuice

A great case in example is the XM and XM Label could not agree more 👍🏼!!

The problem with the XM was cost (…and the field it was playing in). That was extremely problematic because BMW was a bit out of their league targeting the high end SUV buyers.

[justyjuice]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

The problem with the XM was cost (…and the field it was playing in). That was extremely problematic because BMW was a bit out of their league targeting the high end SUV buyers.

I get that but I think it was more timing and economic circumstances and less it’s cost …. unfortunately for the XM it was launched at one of the worst economic seasons ever as interest rates exploded … I was at the dealership today who said post Covid interest hikes and unemployment has left them with much less buyers .. hence why I agree it’s not about sales numbers that matter to o someone like me …it about being an enthusiast and love for what it is… I’m absolutely in love with the truck and those that can afford it all love it as well… find me an XM owner especially label who hates it … the performance stats for LABEL given the price makes it an obvious play for bmw .. I’m beating GT3RS and lambo trucks and get just as much attention as there are not so many XM Labels out there … hence I’m not concerned about sales numbers… I love the XM as an enthusiast… regardless of sales if that makes sense … it’s such an unbelievable ride I wish u guys could all drive a XM label and feel it!! It’s so next level bad ass!! I never thought I could love an SUV just as much as an M3 or M4…

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by Savoy2001

Thing is this is more than just a styling issue. Oh look at that huge grill. Or the buck teeth. Etc etc. This is a radical departure from what any m5 has ever been. The have radically changed the car all around and generally speaking not for the better is the consensus. Go read Reddit also you’ll see. Since when does a car like this come out with less performance than its predecessor ever? In every metric? Answer is never. Plus understand something. These cars aren’t camrys. This is a total extra. An extravagance if you will. And as for me I’d I don’t love it and it doesn’t tickle my fancy I won’t spend that kind of money on it. Period the end. I suspect alot of people feel as I do. I’m sure it will still sell ok. But the real M fans won’t be diving head first into this imo. This won’t be as bad as the xm but I don’t think it will sell like f90 did imo.

Where exactly is it written that it’s slower?
BMW always understates numbers so nobody needs to worry about the car’s 0-60 time which is likely to better 3.0.
In the launch video, they stated the 0-200km/h (124mph) was 10.9secs which is faster than their stated performance for the F90.
The car looks great IMO, I love the look, tech and spec.
I am their target market: I’ll never launch it, never track it nor tear the tires off it with agressive ‘traffic light’ take offs.
I will drive it on in the mid range, only tickling its capabilities.
I like the fact that it won’t be ludicrously expensive to daily it (unlike my F10 M5) as the ICE won’t need to run for daily commutes.
The added size of the car is great for family use too.
If you want a pocket rocket for track use, buy the M2.

The G90 M5 is the car for me so I’ve ordered one.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by Chihuahua

Big fan of this car, I love the fact that BMW ditched the fender grills and made this M5 more of an understated wolf in sheep's clothing car that the M5 should be. Looks like a winner to me, congrats to everyone here that's on the order list.

Originally Posted by 1dopem5

F*** the haters. I m Buying.

100%. Me too.
My order’s in.

Went with Brooklyn Grey after much deliberation as:

1. I feel the brighter colours show the lines better

2. I love the frozen grey but I wouldn’t know where to start in terms of maintaining it and I can’t be dealing with the stress of forensically minding it. (And it’s €4,500 extra!)

3. Unlike Fire Red or Isle of Man green, Brooklyn is not going to offend anyone and is likely to be a better seller when the time comes to move on.

Interior is Silverstone. Love the Kyalami but a risky colour for resale!

What are you going for colour wise?

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

The G90 M5 will sell.

But not for the reason most people think.

One would assume the G90 will sell because people like it, but I don't think that this will be the case so much. It think the G90 will sell well because of "lack of options." Kind of like the beautiful country girl who rates a 10 who grew up in a small country town, didn't want to leave, and ended marrying an Average Joe, why? Because of lack of options.

Let's analyze the XM for a minute. We all know that the sales of the XM have been a abysmal, but you have to look at the market in which it competes. In that same segment you have the, the Lamborghini Urus, the Audi Q8RS, the Porsche Cayenne GT or even really a Cayenne Coupe S is still close on price the XM, the Mercedes G-Wagen, the Range Rover Defender, the Aston Martin DBX, and more. That market segment is cluttered with extremely tough competition, and all of the alternatives to the XM are really really good! It's not that the BMW XM is a terrible choice, but it doesn't really offer much of an incentive over the competition unless you just really really like BMW and want the badge.

Now lets look at the direct competition for the G90 M5 in 2025 and going forward from that year. We will have in 2025 the:

- Mercedes E63S: This car will also be a PHEV and with a 6cyl engine instead of a V8 like the M5. We don't have many details yet.

- Mercedes AMG GT63S and E-Performance: These cars still have the V8. The GT63S already does a claimed 0-60 in 2.6s, meanwhile the E Performance will come with 831hp and 1082lb/ft of [...]

Cracking summary.

I have a 2023 Mercedes V300 alongside a 2022 545e and the Merc’s infotainment system is garbage by comparison. So, BMW wins there all day long IMO.

Also, you did touch on the EU regs but to put that in perspective… taxes are bananas in some EU countries where cars are concerned. This, a market that buys 2.5 times more BMWs than the US. The PHEV G90 is now an option for many who would have been, like me, priced out by the additional $120,000 in taxes alone a car like this can attract in some markets.

The G90 fixes that. And thank God for it.

[TypeDre]

Almost seems like someone in the BMW design team is sabotaging BMW… cause wtf is this

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by justyjuice

I get that but I think it was more timing and economic circumstances and less it’s cost …. unfortunately for the XM it was launched at one of the worst economic seasons ever as interest rates exploded … I was at the dealership today who said post Covid interest hikes and unemployment has left them with much less buyers .. hence why I agree it’s not about sales numbers that matter to o someone like me …it about being an enthusiast and love for what it is… I’m absolutely in love with the truck and those that can afford it all love it as well… find me an XM owner especially label who hates it … the performance stats for LABEL given the price makes it an obvious play for bmw .. I’m beating GT3RS and lambo trucks and get just as much attention as there are not so many XM Labels out there … hence I’m not concerned about sales numbers… I love the XM as an enthusiast… regardless of sales if that makes sense … it’s such an unbelievable ride I wish u guys could all drive a XM label and feel it!! It’s so next level bad ass!! I never thought I could love an SUV just as much as an M3 or M4…

COVID relief money has been spent. Haha.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

COVID relief money has been spent. Haha.

Yep! During COVID, cars were selling by way of that relief money. I do agree that economics hindered the XM as well, but it is a performer for sure.

[brokeboi]

Originally Posted by Pentium

It’s kinda the standard situation at every car BMW releases these days.

I don't see the XM flying off shelves.

[brokeboi]

Originally Posted by Erebor

All the while this is absolutely true, the M5 will just get a new target group of buyers. All the purists who hate on the car will not buy it (or most of them anyway), but there will be new ppl who will like the car. It will be a success, hate or not.

What new group? The ones worried about the environment? I highly doubt it. The car is also sold with the same high pricetag as earlier M5s, so the lunch lady at junior high can't afford it. If this was a car that costs less than 50k brand new, then I would agree with you

[Pentium]

Originally Posted by brokeboi

I don't see the XM flying off shelves.

Yeah, it’s not a 3 Series. It’s an expensive car similar situation with the 8 Series.

[justyjuice]

Originally Posted by F32Fleet

COVID relief money has been spent. Haha.

😂 🤣 haha

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by brokeboi

What new group? The ones worried about the environment? I highly doubt it. The car is also sold with the same high pricetag as earlier M5s, so the lunch lady at junior high can't afford it. If this was a car that costs less than 50k brand new, then I would agree with you

I don’t like the “new group” comments either. It’s just more rhetoric predicated by baseless presumptions. There will be new buyers, sure, but the majority will be prior ///M car owners. They aren’t a new group at all. A large segment of G8X buyers owned prior ///M3’s.

[Remigijus]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

You missed the point. Prior ///M cars had the same doors as the base cars. They were never bespoke, so to suggest that having the same doors was a cost saving measure is factually incorrect. The comment about the sharp transition is a design cue. They don’t need a “reason”.

Most companies have processes in place to save money by streamlining production. That isn’t anything new and it has always been that way.

Actually there was just Q A with Domahoj Dukec on his Instagram. He says it's true, that they could make a new door and make the transition much smoother.

On G80 they carried over doors. They are looking at each product how much they want to invest and how much impact it has on the customer and the product. So in a way, he answers one of the reasons was the investment part in the new car.

And of course, it turned out, that when doing this sharp kink with G80, customers liked that. So that was no brainer to do this also on M5.

So, there are always "reasons".

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Remigijus

Actually there was just Q A with Domahoj Dukec on his Instagram. He says it's true, that they could make a new door and make the transition much smoother.

On G80 they carried over doors. They are looking at each product how much they want to invest and how much impact it has on the customer and the product. So in a way, he answers one of the reasons was the investment part in the new car.

And of course, it turned out, that when doing this sharp kink with G80, customers liked that. So that was no brainer to do this also on M5.

So, there are always "reasons".

Your reading comprehension needs work. You just bolstered my point.

[BimmerBahn]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

I don't think this gen of M5 is going to sell very well. The performance is not good enough to justify having to install a power charger in your garage, and plugging it in every time you get home. It won't be as disastrous as the XM, but there will definitely be cars sitting on dealer lots for longer than has been the case for prior gens.

You can charge it off 120V…. The pack will recharge to full overnight pretty easily. You also dont have to charge as the ICE will recharge/keep a minimal SoC for system performance.

[BimmerBahn]

Originally Posted by JMD

Edit: Why couldn't they placed the "Charge Port" at the Left Rear quarter panel? SMH

Because most people pull into their garage nose first…. The charge port is only AC, up to 7.2KW (9.6KW in November)…. However, you can charge off 120V, too…. It’s a 18kWh pack, too.. don’t need a big EVSE or DCFC for that.

[junx]

Why did bmw decide to get rid of fender vents and badges? Those were iconic and an easy way to identify it from non-M cars. Looks naked without it imho

[Camarejh]

I want one

[Sedan_Clan]

Nice lil’ vid….