[DasBlitz]

Originally Posted by BMWCali

I completely agree. IMHO, you should be required to pay a one time fee of $2,000 to get a drivers license, in addition to testing being more difficult to pass, plus everyone under the age of 21 should have a recorder installed in their car that documents their driving habits. Maybe one time going 130MPH would be overlooked as good will, but if the driver is going 30MPH over the speedlimit every single day something should be done. This would weed out most of the riffraff.

haha wow. First off would you think this way if you were 16? Secondly do you want a police state? Geez, you guys need to get a grip.

Originally Posted by PAMidge

It's called publicity.

The 300,000 automobile injuries yearly due to alcohol are not publicized. If they were, you'd need a news channel just for them.

That is due to lobbying etc. Also news channels get a lot of alcohol advertisements so portraying them in a bad light is just bad business.

[johnc_22]

Originally Posted by DCJAX

Speeds in excess of 45? That could mean 65 or 120.....

"Based on skid marks extended more than 100 feet over the roadway...."

I'd say closer to 120.

Based on the fact that it was his parents' car and he had a provisional license, I wonder if he was driving it against their wishes?

The parents aren't looking nearly as stupid now, unless they knowingly let him violate the law by driving without an adult.

[calvino]

is not the only BMW crash there are many careless drivers of all ages

http://www.thisiswirral.co.uk/displa...fter_crash.php
"man in his late 30s"


http://www.kbsd6.com/Global/story.asp?S=6669938
"60-year-old Terry Higginbotham and 64-year-old Ruth Larson"


http://www.pocononews.net/news/June0...8June07-5.html
"hit and run"

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_A...131725,00.html
"BMW rolls"

http://www.courant.com/news/local/sr...mostviewedlink

"Jainming Chen 42 dead"

http://www.herefordtimes.com/display...unty_roads.php
"The female BMW driver"

http://www.robesonian.com/articles/2...ws/story05.txt

"Motorcycle was struck by a BMW"


The problem is stupid people with BMW's

should we do a thread for each of them ?

[wahoo]

I did not read the article. I'm sorry for a family's loss. In the end, you are your own responsibility. As my folks would say - to kill yourself is one thing, to injure, maim or kill others is another.

[MadDog]

Originally Posted by BMWCali

I completely agree. IMHO, you should be required to pay a one time fee of $2,000 to get a drivers license, in addition to testing being more difficult to pass, plus everyone under the age of 21 should have a recorder installed in their car that documents their driving habits. Maybe one time going 130MPH would be overlooked as good will, but if the driver is going 30MPH over the speedlimit every single day something should be done. This would weed out most of the riffraff.

I agree that testing should be more difficult. The average length of the driving exam in CA is something like SEVEN MINUTES.

$2000 for a driver's license would only hurt the poor, and installing anything on a car that cost $$$ would be very difficult to legislate...

My .02


MD

[itsbrokeagain]

Originally Posted by LEDZEP

My neighbor's son was selling his Pontiac Trans Am (or that other similar model), and another neighbor's 17 year old son was admiring it. The dad said "don't even think about it. Way too much horsepower and too much image for a 17 year old." The kid now drives a used Honda Accord.

There are still some parents out there that understand.

Thats how my parents raised me

Drove hand me downs until this thing. Now all my friends complain I drive like a granny (kinda worn into me because whenever I tried to drive my Porsche fast, something would break, so I ended up never driving it hard )

[Robert]

The difference between a bad elder driver and a bad teenage driver is one drives reckless unintentional whilst the other drives recklessly on purpose. Yea both of them are bad drivers but the intent between the two is different.

Don't even bother trying to change a reckless teenage driver because they won't listen. What society needs to do is to show them no leniency when they break the law. Give them life in prison without parole if they reckless killed someone. They can save their sob stories for their prison mates.

[FirstClass]

Originally Posted by The Cleaner

The reason 16 year old kids are not very good drivers has nothing to do with age, it has to do with experience. It's like anything else... do it more, you get better. Anyone that has low hours behind the wheel is in general a poor driver in comparison to someone with high hours behind the wheel.

I would have to disagree with this statement. I think that it has something to do with experience, but only for the first 6 months or maybe the first year. After that it's all down to immaturity and stupidity on the teen's part, not lack of experience.

Originally Posted by DCJAX

It's not just about general skill. Adults are less likely to do stupid things, weave in traffice, street race, etc.

+1

Originally Posted by E90ice

I don't care what you all have to say...
Teenagers shouldn't drive fast cars. PERIOD!
a 16-18 year old Does Not have enough driving experience/maturity to handle a fast car.

This is not true. Someone can be exceeding 120 is their car and driving more safely than someone on the same road doing 55. i.e. Going 120 in the fast lane with light traffic is much less dangerous than some moron going 55 in the fast lane next to another car blocking traffic on the same stretch of road.

Originally Posted by BK

We have gone through this a few times before, and any sane person here -- except for the teenage members -- agrees that most teens should not get behind the wheel of a fast car until they have a little more practice. The fact is that, on the whole, teens suck at driving.

Agreed, most teenage drivers are utter morons. When I drive anywhere with the majority of my friends, I like to hang back and just chill behind them because they scare the shit out of me. Weaving and cutting people off like you wouldn't believe. I weave sometimes (in light=moderate traffic), but only when there is enough room that I could comfortably change lanes slowly, whereas most teens just slam the car through any bitsy gap they can find.

Originally Posted by user1

goes from accelerating to hard breaking due to lack of planning ahead.

I believe most forums members here would call that "fun."

Originally Posted by BMWCali

everyone under the age of 21 should have a recorder installed in their car that documents their driving habits. Maybe one time going 130MPH would be overlooked as good will, but if the driver is going 30MPH over the speedlimit every single day something should be done. This would weed out most of the riffraff.

1984 much? Hell 90% of the members on this board of all ages wouldn't have a license if this were to happen.

[karliejai]

not another one

[MrFrizzle]

Again, it doesn't matter what car a kid is driving. If they are irresponsible, someone is going to get hurt.

Yes, teen drivers have the worst accident rate. But for the time I've been driving myself, I have yet to come across a bad teen driver on the road. There has been lots of old morons who don't signal, or middle aged woman in SUVS who swerve out of their lanes, but I have yet to get angry at a teen driver.

[texasturner]

"Although the kid is going to jail, he is alive and unharmed. I may not be able to say that had he been driving another car."

And he also just murdered another human being because of being young and stupid. I would agree that there is no way an inexperienced driver like that should be in a 300 hp car. Unfortuately instead of just killing himself in his criminal act, he killed some innocent person. Like another poster said, the insurance rates dont lie.

[siriusinvestor]

Originally Posted by BMWCali

I completely agree. IMHO, you should be required to pay a one time fee of $2,000 to get a drivers license, in addition to testing being more difficult to pass, plus everyone under the age of 21 should have a recorder installed in their car that documents their driving habits. Maybe one time going 130MPH would be overlooked as good will, but if the driver is going 30MPH over the speedlimit every single day something should be done. This would weed out most of the riffraff.

No thanks Adolf. People always talk about how teens drive recklessly, what about elderly people? I have seen droves of old people that also have no business on the road. So if your plan was to go into effect, we should not only single out teens by placing recorder boxes in their vehicles, but if you are 65 or older then you should get a recorder box as well. That recorded how frequently the old people maintain their vehicle in a lane and not drifted off into another vehicles lane. As well as how often they signal before a lane change (personal experience tells me they do not frequently). And finally everyone who is 25-60 should get a breathalyzer machine in their vehicles, because all know people in that age group like to drink and drive.

PS - BMWCali you think this sounds stupid? That's how your OP sounded to me. I am a teen who drives an E90, and I do no drive like a dumbass on the road. Sure there a pretty big majority of my age demographic that drive like morons, but if you single one person out, why go after the whole group? That's like saying, if a *insert race here* robs a store, we should all watch out for *insert race here* next time around.

[Majikthese42]

Deaths per-capita by age:



http://www.iihs.org/research/fatalit...teenagers.html

Crashes per-capita by age:



http://www.iihs.org/research/qanda/older_people.html

[montreal_bimmer]

more and more of these articles keep on coming up....

its rediculous... too many irresponsible drivers out there.... what the hell is a 17 year old driving a BMW.... dont get me wrong, im not saying its because he was young and all young kids drive crazy, but i find it very stupid that a 17 year old kid is driving a BMW...

[MadDog]

Originally Posted by montreal_bimmer

more and more of these articles keep on coming up....

its rediculous... too many irresponsible drivers out there.... what the hell is a 17 year old driving a BMW.... dont get me wrong, im not saying its because he was young and all young kids drive crazy, but i find it very stupid that a 17 year old kid is driving a BMW...

The 16 year old kid "borrowed" it from his parents. He has a provisional license - which restricts him to certain hours and passengers.

[Ventus]

Sorry. I am going to buy the safest car possible for my kid to drive. If you want a manual transmission, 4x drive and airbags all around you have about 3 choices, of which BMW and Audi are 2. Maybe we should have our kids drive 5500 pound SUV's so they can crush everyone in a crash but they would be safer (except they might roll it over) or they should drive old cars without side/curtain airbags and stability control etc, all the modern safety devices that people think are so important. I bought a 328xi for my 16 yr old to drive, and see nothing wrong with it other than it’s a darn nice car for a young driver. It is safe and handles well and if we find out he is speeding appropriate punishment will be meted out. I see no reason to think he will drive it faster than any other car (understanding that teenage boys will try to drive fast, that is a fact of life). Sure, get the low power version (he sure would have preferred a 335 of M3) but don't say that because it’s a BMW it is going to be a larger problem. I see a 3 series as a good compromise, safe for the driver and passengers and not such a huge risk for the guy in the other car if there is an accident.

[DasBlitz]

Originally Posted by Ventus

Sorry. I am going to buy the safest car possible for my kid to drive. If you want a manual transmission, 4x drive and airbags all around you have about 3 choices, of which BMW and Audi are 2. Maybe we should have our kids drive 5500 pound SUV's so they can crush everyone in a crash but they would be safer (except they might roll it over) or they should drive old cars without side/curtain airbags and stability control etc, all the modern safety devices that people think are so important. I bought a 328xi for my 16 yr old to drive, and see nothing wrong with it other than it’s a darn nice car for a young driver. It is safe and handles well and if we find out he is speeding appropriate punishment will be meted out. I see no reason to think he will drive it faster than any other car (understanding that teenage boys will try to drive fast, that is a fact of life). Sure, get the low power version (he sure would have preferred a 335 of M3) but don't say that because it’s a BMW it is going to be a larger problem. I see a 3 series as a good compromise, safe for the driver and passengers and not such a huge risk for the guy in the other car if there is an accident.

+1, You try and do better for your children than you had not give them a 20 year old car like some have said. Your points on safety are spot on.

[calvino]

Originally Posted by montreal_bimmer

more and more of these articles keep on coming up....

its rediculous... too many irresponsible drivers out there.... what the hell is a 17 year old driving a BMW.... dont get me wrong, im not saying its because he was young and all young kids drive crazy, but i find it very stupid that a 17 year old kid is driving a BMW...

not all teens are careless drivers is the parent job to tech the kid what is wrong.

for example Dominic his is a member here, I think he is 16 or so and I'm sure he is better driver than most of us http://www.scheerspeed.com/

don't get me wrong but if I had a kid I will give him a BMW or an Audi, because they are safe cars, but I will also tech him to not drive like a jackass.

[chbrules]

I think we should lock kids up in cages until they're in college.

Odd, there was some kid in forced induction that claimed he was 16 and was beating corvettes and crap. Didn't catch where he lived though. Would be ironic.

I would give my daughter a BMW, but my son is getting a saturn.

[hotrod2448]

Here is the link I was looking for on page 2:
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=248770

[boostnmuscle]

i hate when all these so called adults talk about how it is stupid to give a 16 yr old a 335i and how it is such a fast car and young drivers blah blah. When the truth is that many of these adults saying all this stuff cant drive. I live in south florida and see all kinds of bad drivers young, middle age and old. Why is there no post about older guys in their m3, escalade, corvette, etc wrecking and killing people or the ones drunk driving. Adults can be just as immature as 16 yr old drivers driving bigger and faster cars that young drivers cant afford. For example my brothers friend drives a hyundia and drives like he has a 800hp car. I see adults in their 760 doing over 100 mph tailgating and cutting through traffic. My first car was a 95 dodge ram and yes i did 100 mph in it, but not all the time. I grew up around plenty of rich kids with 400+ whp cars at 16. Some crashed and some didnt. The kids that drove "slow" cars got into more accents and more serious ones. Any one from the ft. Lauderdale Miami area knows what I am talking about. As said before its not the car its the driver whether they are young or old. The driving test here in to is seriously a joke and if you failed it I will call you a moron and a bad driver to your face and I don't care who you are. We seriously need a harder test my dad thought I was joking after I told him what I had to do for the test. Its up to the parents to teach their child safe driving and even then kids are going to drive fast and push any car they have to the limits at some point, every one has at some point. If any thinks i am lying about being around a lot of rich kids look up weston, fl and surrounding areas. I have friends who live down the street from some big sports stars and what not. Sorry for the long post but it just irratates me that people want to say how it is stupid for a new driver to have such a fast car when in truth a lot are cautious and when they love cars they do not want to wreck it. To the people saying stuff about young drivers and teens shouldnt have fast nice you are stereo typing and that is pretty imature. The whole thing about insurance statistics I think it is a bunch of bs, but that's for another time. Yes I do feel sorry for the indviduals involved in the accident, but there are similar incidents every day every where with every car imaginable, we just don't hear about them.

[hotrod2448]

Originally Posted by boostnmuscle

i hate when all these so called adults talk about how it is stupid to give a 16 yr old a 335i and how it is such a fast car and young drivers blah blah. When the truth is that many of these adults saying all this stuff cant drive. I live in south florida and see all kinds of bad drivers young, middle age and old. Why is there no post about older guys in their m3, escalade, corvette, etc wrecking and killing people or the ones drunk driving. Adults can be just as immature as 16 yr old drivers driving bigger and faster cars that young drivers cant afford. For example my brothers friend drives a hyundia and drives like he has a 800hp car. I see adults in their 760 doing over 100 mph tailgating and cutting through traffic. My first car was a 95 dodge ram and yes i did 100 mph in it, but not all the time. I grew up around plenty of rich kids with 400+ whp cars at 16. Some crashed and some didnt. The kids that drove "slow" cars got into more accents and more serious ones. Any one from the ft. Lauderdale Miami area knows what I am talking about. As said before its not the car its the driver whether they are young or old. The driving test here in to is seriously a joke and if you failed it I will call you a moron and a bad driver to your face and I don't care who you are. We seriously need a harder test my dad thought I was joking after I told him what I had to do for the test. Its up to the parents to teach their child safe driving and even then kids are going to drive fast and push any car they have to the limits at some point, every one has at some point. If any thinks i am lying about being around a lot of rich kids look up weston, fl and surrounding areas. I have friends who live down the street from some big sports stars and what not. Sorry for the long post but it just irratates me that people want to say how it is stupid for a new driver to have such a fast car when in truth a lot are cautious and when they love cars they do not want to wreck it. To the people saying stuff about young drivers and teens shouldnt have fast nice you are stereo typing and that is pretty imature. The whole thing about insurance statistics I think it is a bunch of bs, but that's for another time. Yes I do feel sorry for the indviduals involved in the accident, but there are similar incidents every day every where with every car imaginable, we just don't hear about them.

Impossible to read. Learn to make paragraphs.