[Grip Addict]

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

19's are discounted because the A91 has 47 more hp for not much more. And yeah, the whole market sucks right now.

I looked around. '19s were being advertised below MSRP within months of release outside of the few really large markets.

It's amazing to me people would pay 5 figures above sticker, rather than buying a plane ticket to "insert large city in a flyover state" and drive it home or have just have it shipped back.

[supra93]

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/upd...editions.5172/

[JPM-3]

Something I still can't quite understand here...if the Supra is just a rebadged z4, m240i minus 2 seats, then why is it a better performance car than either of those?

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by JPM-3

Something I still can't quite understand here...if the Supra is just a rebadged z4, m240i minus 2 seats, then why is it a better performance car than either of those?

It's lighter, power is underrated, and Toyota has made their own tweaks to the chassis. It outperforms the M4 in some areas as well as it's an overachiever at the price point which is why I don't understand why anyone could complain about its price point as what cars at the price point can outperform it? A Camaro SS comes close and can be had for less but it's not nearly as refined and Camaro's like Mustangs and Chargers are dime a dozen on the road.

[Alfisti]

Gotta say i feel the same

[yco]

Evolve back to stock Supra..

[JPM-3]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

It's lighter, power is underrated, and Toyota has made their own tweaks to the chassis. It outperforms the M4 in some areas as well as it's an overachiever at the price point which is why I don't understand why anyone could complain about its price point as what cars at the price point can outperform it? A Camaro SS comes close and can be had for less but it's not nearly as refined and Camaro's like Mustangs and Chargers are dime a dozen on the road.

Ha thanks man. My question was rhetorical as a response to some of the uninitiated folks commenting in general. The current Supra is a great value.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

A fully equipped Subaru STi is ovr $40k and it's a cheap tin can with a 20 year old engine that's pretty well gutless as a street car. A Mustang Bullitt is $47k and while it's capable its still as cheap and poorly made as every other Mustaing that comes out of Flat Rock.

I'd actually say it's the opposite of that, a WRX/STI with it's short ratios and turbo AWD gives you good acceleration down low, where most people are driving "on the street". It's more gutless at the higher speeds, where it's already suffering from more driveline drag than other cars and down on the power comparatively.

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by thormessiah

... The car was agile but lacked the oomph that I get in my n54 e92...

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

I'd actually say it's the opposite of that, a WRX/STI with it's short ratios and turbo AWD gives you good acceleration down low, where most people are driving "on the street". It's more gutless at the higher speeds, where it's already suffering from more driveline drag than other cars and down on the power comparatively.

My STI was gutless on the street. Slowest street vehicle I've owned in a long time. There's nothing going on until you start getting close to 3.5-4k RPM which is why it's 5-60 mph time is close to 7 seconds making it slower than Accords and V6 Camry's on the street. After getting a pro-tune it was much better but the STI simply isn't a fast car in this day and age.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

My STI was gutless on the street. Slowest street vehicle I've owned in a long time. There's nothing going on until you start getting close to 3.5-4k RPM which is why it's 5-60 mph time is close to 7 seconds making it slower than Accords and V6 Camry's on the street. After getting a pro-tune it was much better but the STI simply isn't a fast car in this day and age.

Yes, their turbo tech is archaic, but as long as you are rolling, you can easily shift down to the boost-range and get a good kick in the rear. I'm not saying it's a good deal, but that can be a lot of fun on the street. Fun doesn't necessarily mean beating accords..

[supra93]

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/05/04/...ta-supra-news/

Toyota held a news briefing today on the 2021 Toyota Supra for the press. It threw a bunch of information out, including details on how it intends to keep the model fresh every year, the company’s ongoing relationship with BMW, and when we should expect to see the refreshed 2021 Supra models hit dealerships.

Keeping Supra fresh
Jack Hollis, Toyota Group VP and GM, bolstered our learning about new Supra versions and changes coming down the road. The goal is to avoid sales hitting a wall and falling off over time.

“Our goal with the launch was to start there and keep it as flat as possible. We’d like to grow it, but that’s very difficult over time,” Hollis says. “The goal here is lifecycle management … going from one Supra to two Supras is a good way for us to go. Yes, there are some things down the road. There are some other lifecycle management tools that we believe will help us keep a flatter line versus the segment trend.”

Toyota sold about 2,900 units for the 2019 calendar year. The Supra went on sale July 22, and Toyota says the average transaction price was about $56,000-$57,000 in 2019.

“We don’t really put sales objectives on Supra,” Hollis says. “We look at it as this kind of halo vehicle that is plus business for the brand and for our dealers. We’re really pleased with the sales.”

Relationship with BMW
Much ink has been spilled about the relationship between Toyota and BMW concerning the Supra. Now that the car is launched, though, we were eager to learn how that relationship was getting on.

“As we go over time, there is more of a separation,” Hollis says. “While we still are bouncing our ideas off each other and sharing our information, we make an agreement to go our separate ways. ... It’s not devoid of conversation. It’s not devoid of engineering … chief engineer Tada and his team stay in pretty constant contact with BMW on features.”

Ben Haushalter, Toyota's senior manager of vehicle product planning, provided further details on how things were progressing.

“Toyota is still wholly responsible for the tuning and chassis setup on this car,” Haushalter says. “We have a team of engineers stationed in Munich that work side-by-side with BMW guys.”

When will we see the 2021 car?
Nick Miller, Toyota’s marketing manager, shed some light on when the 2021 Supra would launch. Unsurprisingly, the coronavirus has impacted Toyota’s plans, and the car is delayed.

“The plant that builds Supra right now, Magna Steyr, is closed right now due to COVID-19,” Miller says. “So it depends on when that plant is going to come back up. That should be in the next couple of weeks here, from what we understand. Before that plant shut down, we did have 400 model year 2021s built, and they’re on water now and on their way to the U.S.”

Those 400 2021 Supras will go on sale in June this year, but the four-cylinder hasn’t started production yet. As of now, it’s slated for July, and Toyota says it won’t arrive in the U.S. until fall. That amounts to a one- or two-month delay, based on Toyota’s previous launch schedule.

[supra93]

[See5]

Car and Driver strapped a '21 to the dyno and it made 388whp.

It's essentially filling the role the base C7 Z51 had in the market in terms of performance. I'm seriously impressed.

[tim99ws6]

I good friend of mine has a beautiful white one. Cool car, very light/twitchy. It's like a Miata with power IMO. And I don't mean that in a bad way.

Rolling runs vs my M5 stock vs stock it was way behind. He did intake and JB4 tune, and its maybe on my back bumper from 50-130. Cool car!

[supra93]

[JPM-3]

MY2021 looks like a better M-car than the M2.

[supra93]

[super51fan]

The DME for the X3 M/M4 M show the Supra in the image, S58 Supra coming?

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/sho...diagId=12_2464

[pikkagtr]

one can dream
CF roof /Driveshaft
6spd Manual S58 Supra
75k$
im down

[Moflow]

Originally Posted by JPM-3

MY2021 looks like a better M-car than the M2.

I literally bought the M2 because I thought it was a better Supra than the Supra.

(The old, MKIV Supra was a manual transmission, 2+2, with a twin turbo i-6)