[No Boost]

....was behind a black one yesterday, has some serious road presence from the rear. The driver was manually shifting whereby creating excessive overrun burble on downshifts. It got annoying really quickly. This automotive trends needs to stop.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

Everyone sucks to some extent, but I believe the problem around test drives is the customers suck. They cry about challenges obtaining a test drive, then openly admit they have zero allegiance to the dealer that provided the test drive. They're all-too happy to save $50 and go back to the dealer that denied the test drive. If dealers saw value in providing test drives they'd be waving keys at people simply driving past the dealership. 💡

Dealers also need to not suck. When I purchased my boring commuter car last year, that my girlfriend now drives, agreed to a price and trade-in........go back to the finance guy to wrap everything up and he comes back with:

"You've been approved at 8.99%."

"You have my credit score in front of you, yes? You see my income, yes? Do you want to tell me the correct number or do I need to leave?"

All of a sudden it matched the Pen Fed rate. The blatant attempts to fuck over there customers is why most people feel no loyalty toward any dealer.



On the other hand, when I special ordered my '13 Mustang GT Track Pack (I wanted a base, not a premium). I went and test drove from a dealer that was a perfect location between my house and work.

I called the sales guy the next week and said, "I'd like to work with you guys, dealership is in a perfect location if I need something. Here is exactly what I want, call me back with a price that will make me not even bother shopping around, and I'll be there 10 minutes later with a deposit check and we can order it."

Called me back with an awesome price and I went and ordered it. Even came in a month earlier than predicted.

[supra93]

http://media.toyota.ca/releases/leap...oyota-gr-supra

Leap Ahead, In The 2021 Toyota GR Supra

Toyota Canada unveils 2021 line-up and pricing for the authentic sports car that serves up driving pleasure at every turn

TORONTO, Ontario – June 17, 2020 – The love of driving runs deep for many – and the performance-first Toyota GR Supra embraces that passion. For 2021, Toyota Canada offers up the GR Supra in three exciting flavours at made-to-move prices, all designed to make the true car lover’s heart race in anticipation of the drive ahead.

“The GR Supra is honed on the track but equally at home on the streets, and this year it’s more fun to drive than ever before,” said Cyril Dimitris, Vice President, Toyota Canada Inc. “For 2021, the GR Supra gets an overhaul that adds choice and performance that stress the value of getting behind the wheel of Toyota’s quickest, most exciting sports car.”

The upgrades start with the 2021 Toyota GR Supra 3.0. This year, Toyota rebuilds the engine – adding a new piston design and dual-branch exhaust manifold to improve heat management. These and other enhancements boost output on this model’s turbocharged 3.0-litre inline-six, from 335 horsepower to a peak 382-horsepower. GR Supra 3.0 drivers can expect to shave their 0-96 km/h time to a blistering 3.9 seconds. At the same time, this more powerful GR Supra 3.0 is expected to achieve a fuel efficiency rating of 9.4L / 100 km (city/highway combined).

The 2020 GR Supra enjoyed exceptional handling – but even exceptional can be improved. For 2021, Toyota retuned the GR Supra 3.0 chassis to boost roll resistance and enhance cornering stability. Mechanical fine-tuning was enhanced with upgrades to various onboard digital systems, including the Adaptive Variable Suspension and Vehicle Stability Control. As a result, the 2021 GR Supra 3.0 is more stable through quick transitions such as compound turns.

This year, the GR Supra 3.0 is joined by an all-new model – the GR Supra 2.0. This entry-model Supra offers an intermediate choice between the Toyota 86 and GR Supra 3.0, providing Canadian sports car enthusiasts with a range of choices.

The 2021 GR Supra 2.0 is built around a 255-horsepower inline-four turbocharged engine. With a projected 0-96 km/h of 5.0 seconds, it’ll be the second quickest vehicle in the Toyota stable. This is achieved in part through thoughtful weight reduction, which shaves more than 200 pounds off the GR Supra 3.0 configuration while maintaining that model’s impressive weight distribution.

Regardless of powertrain, driving excitement starts before the engine is fired up, as the GR Supra sports impressive style that immediately conveys its capabilities. Styling features scream performance, even as they help the GR Supra live up to its promise. The wide grille is flanked by large air intakes that channel air directly to the turbocharged engine. The “double-bubble” cabin roof pays homage to the design of the famed Toyota 2000 GT even as it reduces drag without sacrificing headroom.

Inside, the driver-focused cabin channels the feel of a single-seater racing car, while creating an open, roomy feel for whoever is lucky enough to be along for the ride. The seats feature integrated head restraints and adjustable side bolsters while the centre console is fitted with kneepads for extra support when leaning into corners.

The Toyota GR Supra is also a technology showcase, GR Supra 3.0 models feature a four year subscription to Toyota Supra Connect – a convenient connectivity and peace-of-mind package that includes concierge assistance, Vehicle Finder, Remote Lock/Unlock and other features – all accessed through the Toyota Supra Connect App.

Safety is always built into a Toyota, which is why the GR Supra lineup features automatic braking with pedestrian detection, forward collision warning, an integrated back-up camera, lane departure warning, full-speed adaptive cruise control, parking sonar, blind spot monitoring with rear cross traffic alert, adaptive front lighting and automatic high beams, and other safety systems to help keep everyone safe – driver, passenger and other users of the road.

Pricing for the 2021 GR Supra lineup is as follows:

The 2021 Toyota GR Supra 2.0 (starting MSRP: $56,390) reduces the cost of getting behind the wheel of a Supra by more than $8,000 when compared to the least expensive 2020 model. In addition to those already mentioned, features of note include a display audio system, digital gauge cluster, 18” alloy wheels, adaptive steering, launch control, parking sensors, and Alcantara-clad seating.

The 2021 Toyota GR Supra 3.0 Premium (starting MSRP: $67,690) takes the 2020 model to all new levels of power and performance, even as it adds new style and convenience, including front brake calipers emblazoned with the SUPRA logo and a wireless charger for personal electronics. Other standard features on this model include a 12-speaker 425-watt JBL Audio System, Navigation, a Head Up Display, 19” alloy wheels, leather seating, an Adaptive Variable Suspension system, Active Differential, and 14-way power adjustable seats.

This model may also be ordered as the 2021 Toyota GR Supra 3.0 A91 Edition (starting MSRP: $68,890), sporting matte black 19” alloy wheels, carbon fiber mirror caps, an integrated rear spoiler, and a unique body side graphic. This model features a unique black/blue interior, paired with a choice of two body colours: Refraction (unique to the Special Edition) and Nocturnal.

The 2021 Toyota GR Supra goes on sale June 17, 2020 at Toyota Dealers across Canada. For complete and up to date details and specifications, visit www.toyota.ca/supra .

[heavyD^2]

We get so ripped off in Canada ha ha ha.

[supra93]

Another guy claiming if the Zupra does well the next one will be done in-house.

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

We get so ripped off in Canada ha ha ha.

Why you say this

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by supra93

Another guy claiming if the Zupra does well the next one will be done in-house.

That's such a self fulfilling prophecy if true. They can't expect the car to be a sales hit if they are being completely tone deaf to what Toyota fans wanted with a chief engineer who, although delivered a good car, forces his Porsche fetishes on Supra enthusiasts.

I believe sales are going to drop dramatically in the coming years unless big changes come out of these incremental updates. The problem is there is no where for this car to go unless Toyota has something up their sleeves. More power isn't much of an option (unless the car gets the S58 which is very unlikely), manual isn't an option with the B58tu, widebody isn't going to happen without breaking a key development principle of 1.55 track width to wheelbase ratio, and Tetsuya Tada already ruled out a hybrid.

I hope I am wrong but this car will get a facelift and red interior stitching and that's it. Then Toyota will say "well sports car don't sell so the A100 isn't going to be developed." The sad part is that Toyota devoted 10x the development effort (hyperbole) to the Yaris than they did to their flagship.

[R N M]

I don’t think it’s selling well at all otherwise they wouldn’t offer 0% financing. The dealers did an epic job by turning off buyers - first by charging ADMs and by not letting you test drive one.

Good riddance...

[Tacoma]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

We get so ripped off in Canada ha ha ha.

$68K MSRP in Canada for the 382 HP Supra?! You can get the M2 (Competition Pack, 405HP) for only $4K more, and the M2 has manual transmission. And the Porsche 718 Cayman is $64K.

Now I know better why I'm seeing no Supras out on the roads here in Toronto. It's overpriced, at least here in Canada.

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by Tacoma

$68K MSRP in Canada for the 382 HP Supra?! You can get the M2 (Competition Pack, 405HP) for only $4K more, and the M2 has manual transmission. And the Porsche 718 Cayman is $64K.

Now I know better why I'm seeing no Supras out on the roads here in Toronto. It's overpriced, at least here in Canada.

This is why I find the Supra revival both intriguing and strange, especially where the car is more expensive than it’s competition and way less power (Europe is stuck with 335hp). It only makes sense to revive the Supra name if either they have big plans for it or it’s a straight cash grab.

[Mingwan]

[thormessiah]

Originally Posted by super51fan

This is why I find the Supra revival both intriguing and strange, especially where the car is more expensive than it’s competition and way less power (Europe is stuck with 335hp). It only makes sense to revive the Supra name if either they have big plans for it or it’s a straight cash grab.

You’re paying for the Supra name. Stock straight out of the factory, the Supra isn’t worth $58k.

[super51fan]

Originally Posted by thormessiah

You’re paying for the Supra name. Stock straight out of the factory, the Supra isn’t worth $58k.

An argument can be made for it being one of the best cars at or below $51k and is a terrific value, but that only works here in the US. But I do agree that they are pushing the badge too hard.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by thormessiah

You're paying for the Supra name. Stock straight out of the factory, the Supra isn't worth $58k.

Ive been trying to talk myself into a Supra, specifically because I was trying to think of it as a less expensive option than other vehicles I'm considering.

One good comparison is to my M340i build. When I consider the discount I'd get on the M340, and paying sticker for a Supra, the M340 seems like a better decision for me. The Street price of the BMW isn't that much more.

[Alfisti]

Honestly the price isn't too bad, it's a touch high and dealers being stupid but the actual price is not too bad. Canadians whinging about the cost difference, it's the same for every car vs the USA, FWIW the Supra is 100K in Australia.

[freakystyly]

Not to mention our used market is pretty slim pickings (seems worse now). Desirable cars in general go for much more up here, new or used.

[heavyD^2]

In an era where you can buy a CVT equipped Subaru Ascent for $47k USD this car seems reasonably priced especially when compacts like the STI, Golf R are pricing out over $40k.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

Ive been trying to talk myself into a Supra, specifically because I was trying to think of it as a less expensive option than other vehicles I'm considering.

One good comparison is to my M340i build. When I consider the discount I'd get on the M340, and paying sticker for a Supra, the M340 seems like a better decision for me. The Street price of the BMW isn't that much more.

There are literally hundreds of Supra's being advertised at $5k off MSRP already.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

There are literally hundreds of Supra's being advertised at $5k off MSRP already.

I'll take your word for it. However that's not the case with 2021 models. I would only consider a 2021. I should have been clearer about that.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

I'll take your word for it. However that's not the case with 2021 models. I would only consider a 2021. I should have been clearer about that.

Well, I don't believe there are even any 2021's for sale yet. They haven't started arriving at the dealerships.

It's just too bad. The dealerships are going to kill this car. If it makes 4 years of production I'll be surprised.

[pikkagtr]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

I'll take your word for it. However that's not the case with 2021 models. I would only consider a 2021. I should have been clearer about that.

There's a 2021 coming in at a local dealer here in the bay area and I am helping my cousin try and aquire it. We went there last year for a white premium and they wanted $20k adm
Well guess what they also want the same adm for the 2021
That same white 2020 is still there , but now they've kindly offered it at msrp
What a joke
Btw my cousin now has and order in for a 2021 M340i at invoice plus $750 before incentives
People on here are right on the dot , toyota dealers will end up killing this car
Shame

[R N M]

So while my wife was shopping yesterday- I stopped by Toyota dealer next door with 4 Supras in stock collecting dust.

No discount offered and no test drives allowed. 👎👎 They did offer 0% financing.

This is a joke.