[A_]

It should be called - M560e and it would be fair

[masd79]

Originally Posted by Greer

BMW M if you are reading this please make this happen!

This has everything the comps usually have already.. like new m2

[Logical]

[QUOTE="A_;31766300"]It should be called - M560e and it would be fair

This is so true….Ford did same thing with their Mach E branded it as a “mustang” lol.

Its so lazy but if people chasing clout fall for it and drop 130k on a 4 door 2 ton hybrid called “M5” ….then there is no hope lol.

[Pritgillmotorcar]

Originally Posted by ASAP

remember his opinion is often based around feel... not necessarily how well the car performs... so even tho it could get a decent time... he would likely say its just not dynamic nor fun due to its weight... my impression is that is what they were worried about... the G80 performs miles better than the F80 around any track without even trying because its so stable... that being said, its a boring car compared to the F80 in just about any street driving... also, from what I recalled the m4 GTS was hit and miss on reviews as it was too complicated with its manual suspension setup and no one liked the water tank injection... it also had some trouble selling

M4 GTS is already in the $200,000.00- $300,000.00 USD in Europe. They will definitely be extremely collectible in the future .Water injection is pretty remarkable, I believe the brand new Porsche GT2 RS has a similar water injection system. Most of the US and Canadian cars are making their way to the Euro market as they are selling for double the price.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Pritgillmotorcar

M4 GTS is already in the $200,000.00- $300,000.00 USD in Europe. They will definitely be extremely collectible in the future .Water injection is pretty remarkable, I believe the brand new Porsche GT2 RS has a similar water injection system. Most of the US and Canadian cars are making their way to the Euro market as they are selling for double the price.

my friend have i got a deal for u lol-

https://www.edmunds.com/bmw/m4-gts/2...9/?radius=6000

no one wanted it here because it didn't get great reviews and the lower priced and better looking CS was as good for fractions of the price

[ledgy]

Originally Posted by ASAP

my friend have i got a deal for u lol-

https://www.edmunds.com/bmw/m4-gts/2...9/?radius=6000

no one wanted it here because it didn't get great reviews and the lower priced and better looking CS was as good for fractions of the price

I loved this car. Had one on order and got scammed by the dealer.

Not sure why it didnt do so well

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by ledgy

I loved this car. Had one on order and got scammed by the dealer.

Not sure why it didnt do so well

It did not do so well because it was a dud and BMW realized that.

It was too stiff for the street, there was no ground clearance (and no lift), it still had trouble to put the power down, and its exhaust sound like wet farts.

Apart from a bit better steering, it fixed nothing of the F8x platform deficiencies and it was crazy expensive, and added a ton of issues.

[adc]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

Lol I am not too eager because I like the car
It is not i bought it and I am regreting
And to be honest I am enjoying it much more then my 2 m8s
I am on this forum because it is an M5 forum about a car that I currently own.
Do you own one? No right
So who is the one eager ?
The guy who never drove g90 m5 and does not own one and come to the M5 forum to talk shit about it lol

I drove all other generations of M5's. Some just briefly, others more extensively.

A friend owns an F90 and I drove that around a few times. I got the chance to drive the M8 Comp Coupe and (separately) an 850ix Vert, all over Europe, mountain passes, Autobahn and everything in between. They were fine cars for those particular trips, but I'd never consider owning one. Too big, too heavy, so not me. Plenty to like, nothing to love.

So now BMW comes out with a new car that's even bigger in size, heavier, more powerful, and with a styling I don't personally love. Exactly why should I be eager to drive it? I'm not talking shit about your car, as you so ungraciously put it - I'm simply expressing my opinion on a public forum. And you're still overreacting .

TBH I'm looking at Lucid for the next family car (hopefully it survives another year).

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by adc

I drove all other generations of M5's. Some just briefly, others more extensively.

A friend owns an F90 and I drove that around a few times. I got the chance to drive the M8 Comp Coupe and (separately) an 850ix Vert, all over Europe, mountain passes, Autobahn and everything in between. They were fine cars for those particular trips, but I'd never consider owning one. Too big, too heavy, so not me. Plenty to like, nothing to love.

So now BMW comes out with a new car that's even bigger in size, heavier, more powerful, and with a styling I don't personally love. Exactly why should I be eager to drive it? I'm not talking shit about your car, as you so ungraciously put it - I'm simply expressing my opinion on a public forum. And you're still overreacting .

TBH I'm looking at Lucid for the next family car (hopefully it survives another year).

Hehe enjoy you light weight lucid air

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by adc

I drove all other generations of M5's. Some just briefly, others more extensively.

A friend owns an F90 and I drove that around a few times. I got the chance to drive the M8 Comp Coupe and (separately) an 850ix Vert, all over Europe, mountain passes, Autobahn and everything in between. They were fine cars for those particular trips, but I'd never consider owning one. Too big, too heavy, so not me. Plenty to like, nothing to love.

So now BMW comes out with a new car that's even bigger in size, heavier, more powerful, and with a styling I don't personally love. Exactly why should I be eager to drive it? I'm not talking shit about your car, as you so ungraciously put it - I'm simply expressing my opinion on a public forum. And you're still overreacting .

TBH I'm looking at Lucid for the next family car (hopefully it survives another year).

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

Hehe enjoy you light weight lucid air

i am not a fan of the lucid but the irony here is that it is a full weight EV that still in most configurations weighs less than the G90 and runs an 8 second 1/4 mile lol...

it used to be one could say something vs a Tesla Model S plaid such as well how are you going to compare these cars since they are so different?

One is an EV, the other is a V8... well except now one is also part EV.

Well one has a terrible cheap interior... well the other one cheaped out quite a bit too and is missing the luxo features.

Well one has a fire breathing V8... well sure, except it doesn't sound good and is muted.

You see where this is going? With the prior gen M5 comp and Cs these were unthinkable comparisons... this is a car lost in a sea right now where many would instead take the lighter, more dynamic M3 with arguably a better interior and just as fast. The only real reason to choose the G90 is as a commuter car where one does a lot of hwy driving... but then in that scenario it still doesn't get good mpgs lol

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by ASAP

i am not a fan of the lucid but the irony here is that it is a full weight EV that still in most configurations weighs less than the G90 and runs an 8 second 1/4 mile lol...

it used to be one could say something vs a Tesla Model S plaid such as well how are you going to compare these cars since they are so different?

One is an EV, the other is a V8... well except now one is also part EV.

Well one has a terrible cheap interior... well the other one cheaped out quite a bit too and is missing the luxo features.

Well one has a fire breathing V8... well sure, except it doesn't sound good and is muted.

You see where this is going? With the prior gen M5 comp and Cs these were unthinkable comparisons... this is a car lost in a sea right now where many would instead take the lighter, more dynamic M3 with arguably a better interior and just as fast. The only real reason to choose the G90 is as a commuter car where one does a lot of hwy driving... but then in that scenario it still doesn't get good mpgs lol

Present S Plaid is downright svelte at 4700 pounds.

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by ASAP

i am not a fan of the lucid but the irony here is that it is a full weight EV that still in most configurations weighs less than the G90 and runs an 8 second 1/4 mile lol...

it used to be one could say something vs a Tesla Model S plaid such as well how are you going to compare these cars since they are so different?

One is an EV, the other is a V8... well except now one is also part EV.

Well one has a terrible cheap interior... well the other one cheaped out quite a bit too and is missing the luxo features.

Well one has a fire breathing V8... well sure, except it doesn't sound good and is muted.

You see where this is going? With the prior gen M5 comp and Cs these were unthinkable comparisons... this is a car lost in a sea right now where many would instead take the lighter, more dynamic M3 with arguably a better interior and just as fast. The only real reason to choose the G90 is as a commuter car where one does a lot of hwy driving... but then in that scenario it still doesn't get good mpgs lol

The reason the m5 is hybrid is EU regulations otherwise will not have this car
Remove the resonator or opfs and you have a proper V8 sound
This does not apply to the EV cars that has no soul
Also 8 sec quarter mile for sapphire that cost 250k not 120k
Well in this case better get a model s plaid that has better supercharging network and cost half of the lucid for a daily and as fast

Comparing EV and hybrid as you mentionned is not something people should do
Because they are 2 different type of cars

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

The reason the m5 is hybrid is EU regulations otherwise will not have this car
Remove the resonator or opfs and you have a proper V8 sound
This does not apply to the EV cars that has no soul
Also 8 sec quarter mile for sapphire that cost 250k not 120k
Well in this case better get a model s plaid that has better supercharging network and cost half of the lucid for a daily and as fast

Comparing EV and hybrid as you mentionned is not something people should do
Because they are 2 different type of cars

I have an S Plaid with no soul. But I have never concerned myself with automotive metaphysics. If there is no afterlife for my car then that is fine.

Previous car was a 2020 M5 and it was a logical positivist. Those don't go to heaven either.

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I have an S Plaid with no soul. But I have never concerned myself with automotive metaphysics. If there is no afterlife for my car then that is fine.

Previous car was a 2020 M5 and it was a logical positivist. Those don't go to heaven either.

Hehe you never know if there is afterlife for our cars
I think the model s is a bargain and the best ev family sedan if you want a full ev
If I can still hear a v8 while driving then will go with the M5 (the reason I choose this car over EV)
At some point will be full ev then there is plenty of options to choose from

[matowi]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

I think their profit margin is very tight on this thing and they didn't want the loaded price to creep too high for elasticity of demand reasons. As a consumer I think they should've let it creep up a bit more and added in some of the creature comforts people have come to expect from a M5, maybe make a "luxury package" or something

Even creating such option costs significant money. If they create the option, they commit to be able to deliver. So they’d have to invest in the entire value chain from you making an order for the extra features, all the way through the design, production, procurement, supply chain and lots of other stuff

Now, imagine how much effort it would take from them to put in place that ability to deliver all these options. For it to give them a positive return, the volume of orders would need to be significant. The cost of the package would need to be significant too. Otherwise, they would lose money

Bean counters did their job to allow BMW to keep their margins reasonable, but also to prevent the product from becoming a loss contributor in their lineup

[adc]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

Hehe enjoy you light weight lucid air

Originally Posted by iifymbro

Lucid Air Pure comes in at 4,564 lbs.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by adc

Lucid Air Pure comes in at 4,564 lbs.

yep, heavy. I dunno what world we're living in where ~4,500 lb isn't heavy, the F90 is right around there and people are in here talking like it's some scalpel track weapon and the G90 is a bloated disgrace. Not really that big a deal once you're in that weight range imo, heavy is heavy. At least these are sedans so the cog is low vs a SUV at similar weight.

[adc]

Originally Posted by iifymbro

yep, heavy. I dunno what world we're living in where ~4,500 lb isn't heavy, the F90 is right around there and people are in here talking like it's some scalpel track weapon and the G90 is a bloated disgrace. Not really that big a deal once you're in that weight range imo, heavy is heavy. At least these are sedans so the cog is low vs a SUV at similar weight.

Totally get that. My reference was still the F90, which I thought was borderline - ok for street, nothing more. I like the shape, the interior, the classic looks.

None of those are favorites on the G90, and to add insult it's quite a bit heavier for absolutely no good reason.

The Lucid is a better DD, more refined, handles reasonably well, and the design does it for me more than the G series. I may be in minority, but talking about people here not having driven one...