[NGT2]

Originally Posted by blockhead25

All I want are my AC buttons back.

Don’t get your hopes up. At this point, I’d settle for it all just being integrated in a more natural way.

[oz555]

Originally Posted by phiishstiicks

Volvo design, both interior and exterior, are fantastic IMO. XC90 is the best looking SUV on the road (IMO). XC90 > X5 > Cayenne > Lexus GX.

No it is not. IMO XC90 looks like refeigerator with lights and wheels.

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by bavarianboar

The noye class and Porsche had a baby, and they slapped on the E46 side vents. NO Thank you AI

That's a Z8 from around 2000...

[bavarianboar]

Originally Posted by mbanck

That's a Z8 from around 2000...

Good call, thank you. I had no idea. Never seen one. Did they make only a handful of these?

[TheOne]

MAKE BMW GREAT AGAIN
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[NGT2]

Originally Posted by oz555

No it is not. IMO XC90 looks like refeigerator with lights and wheels.

It looks like an incredibly non offensive mid size SUV. Frankly, if you’re not a car person, it looks a lot like an X5. Or Audi Q5. Or VW Atlas. You get the point. SUV’s are either rounded or boxy. From there, it’s details.

[reallymarkedup]

Originally Posted by TheOne

MAKE BMW GREAT AGAIN
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[M4Tejas]

Originally Posted by AventurinG26

They need to fire Hornydonk or whatever his name is. These latest designs are just awful. We bought an i7 because we wanted an EV that was long range and it was $34K off MSRP. I HATE the way the thing looks in front and the interior looks cheap in places with the ugly plastic “diamond” trim that shines blinding sunlight right into your eyes. The HVAC vents should have moved to electronic control since they went all in on screen only controls, but instead they used these cheap rubber little nubs that you can barely see or tell what they’re doing to the vents. They look so cheap. Just give me a nice vent design with obvious baffles to move around or do what Tesla did that works well and make it controllable on the display so I can actually get the air to blow where I need. The new 5er is butt ugly. It doesn’t even look like a BMW. The XM, yikes. They’ve also got to stop cheapening the cars by removing curve following headlights. Our i7 had an MSRP of nearly $140K but it has cheaper and much worse headlights than what my $66K M440i GC had.

I have got used to the grill. The current GEN's Corvette styling, platform meh…. Everyone has their own opinions. i’ll take the C6 with the headlight covers. That is a sexy bitch.

Fast Lane Auto Sales, San Antonio source. C6 house. Low mile examples are numerous and they do a brisk business. It is a very large military town with a well rounded seasoned population……..Vettes, BMW & Porsche etc popular with military pilots…..



The cheap opaque silver plastic trim on my dash blinds me when sun hits it just right. The Germans TUV in the past NEVER allowed reflective surface(s) (matte finish only) due to safety concerns. The interior is on par with GM now with high gloss plastics strung out all over the interior/exterior. My E46 330Ci (interior quality) ZHP had aluminum black machined turned dash trim. E46 ZHP trim was available black or silver. How much can it cost. I will probably paint the silver trim matte black or Porsche style body color which BMW does not offer. My .02. The motor is a work of art internally though…..probably the best out there. I was SOLD!

[Mg.]

This is actually making me excited about the future of BMW's car designs. Polestars always have had certain design details that I really admired.

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by bavarianboar

Good call, thank you. I had no idea. Never seen one. Did they make only a handful of these?

yes, they're very rare. Alpina versions go for 300K and up now.

[T-Rexx]

Originally Posted by BLKM

Totally agree… the G87 M2 will stand the test of time in its design … a modern classic !

Totally agree with your total agreement hahaha.
The car is stunning!!! Large flared guards, super wide stance, sharp modern lines, and the proportions are just perfect!!!!
Even makes the M3 and M4 look tame and stock!

[BLKM]

Originally Posted by T-Rexx

Totally agree with your total agreement hahaha.
The car is stunning!!! Large flared guards, super wide stance, sharp modern lines, and the proportions are just perfect!!!!
Even makes the M3 and M4 look tame and stock!

And the looks matches that German muscle car drive experience… even the thick steering wheel adds to the muscle car feel … it’s a fantastic car 👍🏼

[VER]

BMW finally admitting publicly all the new cars have been ugly as sin.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by VER

BMW finally admitting publicly all the new cars have been ugly as sin.

Z4, M8, X5M are super. After that, it drops off so badly now. M2 is only good in black, but I’d own one if I needed another car. Sort of keeping an eye out for a purple one as well to see how it looks.

[VER]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Z4, M8, X5M are super. After that, it drops off so badly now. M2 is only good in black, but I’d own one if I needed another car. Sort of keeping an eye out for a purple one as well to see how it looks.

If a car is only good or best in black, it means it's ugly.

M240i is decent but otherwise wow has every release and refresh been a downgrade. I suppose even the M240i is a downgrade from the previous...

[Mavus]

I lokked at F87 M2c and new m2 side by side and they look like they were designed by two diff companies. One that designs perf cars and the other one that designs legos or kid toy cars. The headlights on new m2 are horrid … kinda looks like a pug.

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by bavarianboar

I am not sure I agree with your statements here. If memory serves right those days Bangle was in charge of design, and if Wikipedia is to be trusted, what you said is incorrect about E6x

And in my personal opinion the Bangle butt on the E6x is actually a fairly eye catching design that still stands out from the crowd on the road.

There was a huge uproar about the headlights of the new gen G6x likely to look similar to E6x as a huge design win by the same set of us here on the forum.

The bangle butt was under Bangle’s time as head of design…but it was VanHooydonk that actually designed the bangle butt. Bangle got roasted for it.

Back then, BMWs all looked the same, just a different length. BMW wanted to get away from that - enter the Z3/4, the SAVs, and yes the flame surfacing.

The 5/6/7 of that era haven’t aged well IMO. I’d be willing to put an E60 M5 in my garage despite the looks.

Can’t say the same for the current lineup. But…I do realize that times change and things will go in and out of favor with some. I really just hope BMW goes back to a simpler look.

[oz555]

Originally Posted by NGT2

It looks like an incredibly non offensive mid size SUV. Frankly, if you’re not a car person, it looks a lot like an X5. Or Audi Q5. Or VW Atlas. You get the point. SUV’s are either rounded or boxy. From there, it’s details.

So, tell me my friend how a car can be offensive? For me all Volvo models look characterless. For persons who don’t have any demands in life. For traveling from A to B. I see a car as something personal and cars look must be assertive and demanding.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by oz555

So, tell me my friend how a car can be offensive? For me all Volvo models look characterless. For persons who don’t have any demands in life. For traveling from A to B. I see a car as something personal and cars look must be assertive and demanding.

I’m not arguing with any of that. Very few SUV’s are full of that kind of character, especially from a looks perspective. Assertive and demanding? I don’t even know what that means to you. Those are subjective things from person to person.

Most people I observe to be “car people” either have at least one sedan/coupe or they only have an SUV because of lifestyle and/or budget requirements.

I’m not trying to tell you what to like. Far from it. This is all subjective.

Do you find the current and previous X5 models to be assertive and demanding?

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by oz555

So, tell me my friend how a car can be offensive? For me all Volvo models look characterless. For persons who don’t have any demands in life. For traveling from A to B. I see a car as something personal and cars look must be assertive and demanding.

Volvos look minimalist and classic next to this offensive, art deco garbage from BMW. At least they’re minimalistic with clean lines. The M2, M5, X3, 7, XM, iX look ridiculous. They’ve lost all semblance of cohesiveness to the legacy. It’s sad.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Volvos look minimalist and classic next to this offensive, art deco garbage from BMW. At least they’re minimalistic with clean lines. The M2, M5, X3, 7, XM, iX look ridiculous. They’ve lost all semblance of cohesiveness to the legacy. It’s sad.

I don’t mind the X3. There are details I don’t care for, but the general design is okay. I actually feel similarly about the XM.

I never felt like BMW needed to make some loud design impression. It was about having a classic, upscale design and the fact that it’s a BMW would tell you all you need to know about how it will drive, vs the competition.

[6SPDG82]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Toyota didn’t play smart… Toyota played safe…❕

From an environment (CO2 reduction) and sales/revenue perspective the previous CEO Toyoda was 100% correct. They never should have replaced him. Toyota did play smart focusing on hybrids.

Other automakers are writing down billions in bad EV investment and slowing or cancelling other EV investment.

Small displacement turbocharged ICE with hybrid is the best path until a better technology than lithium based EV comes to market.