[PINeely]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Would these nut jobs have done what they did if they knew there would be absolutely no media coverage? Dunno.

I can tell you that he wouldn't have written a 140-page manifesto and mailed it to the damn news channel.

The guy wanted attention, he says as much on every page of that document. He knew that this was the way that he could get it.

[NEFARIOUS]

Sorry that this is such a long thread, but my mind is all over the place now, and I'll edit/shorten it in the morning; too tired to even proofread it. *EDIT* I can't believe I confessed all this to a car forum that could probably give 2 shits, but still...

Out of all the statements on here, I do agree with Desert Fox's the most, but all it boils down to is getting the kid a hooker or hooking him up with "the loose chick" to at least experience sex and getting it over with and calling it a day

Now all sarcasm aside, I'm neither trying to play devil's advocate, nor am I saying this out of self-pity, dwelling on the past or trying to gain sympathy for the past. I do feel sorry for the victims and I am sad that it happened... I can relate to how he feels on a linear perspective in terms of the pain and anguish of being single, especially since I lived it, but I never dreamed of taking as far as harming people; I don't even like S&M . Why do I say all this? The ones that you stay away from the most, need friends the most. I'm not talking about the homeless dude arguing with himself, but then ones that realizes he doesn't have much friends and still never had a significant other and feels lonely in this world.

I grew up in an abusive environment where my mom is a diagnosed antisocial, OCPD, histrionic and "the worst case of passive-aggressiveness [the doctor] has seen in [his] 25 years of practice", but hid it well enough to trick my happy-go-lucky dad into marrying her, and successfully convinced friends, family and even the divorce court she's sane, but needed serious medical intervention... But just like this kid, slipped through the sand, kidnapped me to Taiwan when I was 7, where as the only person in the class with White heritage, I had tons of hate crime against me and my mom was too self-absorbed to care, where I had anxiety attacks and nervous tics. Sure, just simply being outside of a hostile environment was good enough to restore my outlook on life back in the US with my dad, but I didn't emerge from it enough to blend in until 2 years later, or even have a sense of self-worth until I was about 22.

Sure, I had my moments where I felt like him... I hated love songs, seeing a couple happy together tore me up inside, and worst of all, I had a former roommate that had sex 3-4 times a day (I shit you not, she's a screamer), but after unlearning lots of bad habits with the help of a few dedicated friends, instead of blaming women being spoiled by ideals on rap videos (big house, 5 cars, in charge), I just looked inside. I lost a bunch of weight, pursued personal development, and had a few friends that believed in my potential help me... And even though I rarely admit this to people since I'm ashamed by it, I was 27 when I had my first kiss and eventual loss of virginity. But again, did I go to the extremes of this kid? No.

However, long story longer, I just feel that everybody needs someone that can bring out the best in them, and this kid probably never had that, nor does anybody at his age probably would relate, since it's one thing when 89% of people get their first time before or during senior prom, the rest of that group has religious or preference, but the small niche that hates being alone but don't understand women aren't that easy to figure out... If I was him and he was my best friend, I won't know what the hell to do either, but knowing then what I know now, I'd be there for him... Also society says that it's no big deal, but there are still some people that treat you like an outcast; it's the first thing people say in a huge argument, and I've been heckled HARD at a party when I was 20 and I even had to lie about my history with women just to feel like a man and be able to not feel left out in life. Part of me wants to straighten it out for living a lie, but it's not one of those things you can come right out and say either.

All this kid needed was just the right people and trusting of instincts... Going back to my opening sentence: If you're a late-age virgin, all you realistically need is a start; doesn't matter with who. If talking to women as a virgin makes you socially anxious, get it over with... Before that faithful day when I was 27, I had a nervousness that got worse as I got older, but afterwards I did become a machine and was with 3 women until I took myself off the market. Sure, it's not ideal and I'm the one leaving her, but it's a learning experience I wish I learned much sooner. Not sure if that'd work for the kid since it worked more than good enough for me, but it still boils down to being able to have supporters that guides him in the right direction and developing them as a person instead of ignoring him is what society needs more...

...Not to mention coercing guns out of the hands of honest, competent law-abiding citizens who carry for defense is BS. For someone who wants nothing more to feel safe walking up to the ATM or to protect their home when they encounter a burglar, they'd go by the law. These people who have "lost it", on the other hand, probably don't even care or lose control of themselves at the heat of the moment; I've never heard of these people thinking "I'm horny and haven't even kissed... But murder is illegal and anti-gun lobbyists are going to have a field day about me and screw it up for other people..." I can almost guarantee during that heat of the moment it'll never cross their mind. Sure, a sanity check might be a good criteria for a background check and I'd endorse THAT, but don't take away guns from people who want nothing more than a safer home and self defense.

[MrPrena]

I am not even going to write details about how hard it was on my high school and undergrad years. It was hell.
It wasn't luxury problems like not getting laid or what kind of car I was driving.

It was about how the heck am I going to afford my tuition, my lunch, text books, etc. Going to the party or even shagging/porning was not even on my equation.

I was so freaking poor that I had to work at a franchise car dealership as a sales person, and graduate in 3 years in order to save tuition cost during my undergrad years. Worrying about being a VIRGIN at age of 22? Not going to a party? This idiot-Elliot is a turd. At his age, sleeping 2 hours MORE per day was my bigger priority than getting laid. GF? Girl friend is for students who were raised by middle class+ families. Not worrying about $$ and not falling asleep while driving back home from school or work was far bigger priority for me.

Therapy? Counsling? NO.... He should have moved to Sierra Leon for few years. He would have thank his personal God that he had all the shit he had in the US.

[UncleWede]

OP
Can you change the title, please? The perp should NOT be included in the list of those who died, out of respect for the others.

[GB-335xiCoupe]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

OP
Can you change the title, please? The perp should NOT be included in the list of those who died, out of respect for the others.

Titles can only be changed by moderators.

[Uber V8]

Originally Posted by MrPrena

I am not even going to write details about how hard it was on my high school and undergrad years. It was hell.
It wasn't luxury problems like not getting laid or what kind of car I was driving.

It was about how the heck am I going to afford my tuition, my lunch, text books, etc. Going to the party or even shagging/porning was not even on my equation.

I was so freaking poor that I had to work at a franchise car dealership as a sales person, and graduate in 3 years in order to save tuition cost during my undergrad years. Worrying about being a VIRGIN at age of 22? Not going to a party? This idiot-Elliot is a turd. At his age, sleeping 2 hours MORE per day was my bigger priority than getting laid. GF? Girl friend is for students who were raised by middle class+ families. Not worrying about $$ and not falling asleep while driving back home from school or work was far bigger priority for me.

Therapy? Counsling? NO.... He should have moved to Sierra Leon for few years. He would have thank his personal God that he had all the shit he had in the US.

So much truth in this post. Let that little fuk grow up in the hood I grew up in.

[BenchRacerYo]

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[Uber V8]

^^ Give it a couple more weeks bud

[954Stealth]

Originally Posted by FwdFtl

^^ Give it a couple more weeks bud

Yeah, too soon
+1

[UncleWede]

bleeding edge, but I still LOLd

[safe d]

Without prejudice, I wonder if you guys will think differently about calling your cars murdered out, following this incident. Extremely sad situation, though. Sorry for all victims and their families. I found kids are so self absorbed these days. Even my kids. Friends and family who have good expectations about you are priceless.

[pacman.defense]