[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by HPFREAK

The car is shaping up to be a big disappointment to those on the corvette forum. I am a C6 Z owner and I am glad I held onto it seeing as it is modded to make over 600rwhp on motor only and I see no reason to jump ship at this point. They put a small blower on it for packaging reasons which is why it is overheating. They have to spin it harder than the blower on the ZR1 to make more HP so the natural result is more heat that cant be dealt with by the tiny intercooler it has. It is basically the same blower that came on the ZL1 and my Friend dumped his ZL1 after 6 month because of the heat issue and got a used C6 Z after I spanked him hard when my car was still bone stock.

Not sure about the "same" S/C as the ZL1 but they used they same technology from the ZR1 S/C and made it smaller since the engine sits higher. I guess those engineers couldn't figure out a way to get it to fit properly with a bigger S/C setup but engineers.....and heat issues can be resolved by adding a bigger intercooler, which ZL1 guys do and have no issues. And if you lost to a ZL1 in a C6 Z06, then you're doing it wrong. The ZL1 is almost 1k lbs heavier.

Originally Posted by See5

According to LMR and Vengeance, the cooling system is actually pretty damn good with IATs staying very stable run after run.

Its the tune holding it back, which shouldn't be a surprise given GM's need for the car to last for the long warranty they have.

GM hasn't put out Ring times for anything since the botched Z/28 run. Not having a Ring time for the C7s because of heat management is hilarious at best. They're still putting down blazing laps stateside and still using the track for other adjustments and validation. Over the past 6 months we've seen the Z/28, C7 Z51, Z06, Alpha Camaro, and both V Cadillacs run hard at that track. To think the Z06 couldn't put down a few fast laps because of anecdotal stories doesn't make sense.

Yes, GM said they did put a tune in the car to baby it. But its so funny they didn't mention that until now, once the owners got a hold of them. It must have been the reason why no reviews came out until a week or so before the cars were delivered to their owners. We'll just have to wait for someone to take a stock C7 Z06 and tune the GM babying system out.

I wouldn't call the Z/28 Ring time a botch. Just crappy timing. If they had started the run a minute or 2 earlier, then it would have posted a much faster time. Like 8 or so seconds faster I bet but we know that car is capable and track worthy than the ZL1 that is "made" for the road course......hell, the C7 Z06 shows that it CAN be a track dominate car with the handling and braking performance that was shown in Car and Driver.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Yes, GM said they did put a tune in the car to baby it. But its so funny they didn't mention that until now, once the owners got a hold of them. It must have been the reason why no reviews came out until a week or so before the cars were delivered to their owners. We'll just have to wait for someone to take a stock C7 Z06 and tune the GM babying system out.

I wouldn't call the Z/28 Ring time a botch. Just crappy timing. If they had started the run a minute or 2 earlier, then it would have posted a much faster time. Like 8 or so seconds faster I bet but we know that car is capable and track worthy than the ZL1 that is "made" for the road course......hell, the C7 Z06 shows that it CAN be a track dominate car with the handling and braking performance that was shown in Car and Driver.

Yup, never mind the fact it put down production car record G-loading and braking distances in testing. Also testers were putting down sub 1:30 laps at Road Atlanta. To put that into perspective, that puts it on pole for Continental Tire Race by almost 2 seconds (thats on street tires).

It is so funny to read the Vette forums, with guys driving C5's saying "I'll keep my C5 it handles temps just fine". Congrats you drive one of the ugliest Vettes ever made. I bet 90%+ on the Vette forums can't even afford a new Z06.

Hmm, lets see...production record corning g's and braking, near ZR1 speed...for $20k+ less entry fee. Yeah GM did a terrible job...umm no.

Same thing happened on the Viper forums when the Gen V came out. All the old timers hated on it because the Gen V wasn't much faster than the earlier generation. Then the TA came out and changed that.

M4 got heat too and still is.

[gonzo]

Quite a few for sale on Autotrader.
Shark gray/grey looks really good.

[CirrusSR22]

Here's GM doing a 2:41.3 at VIR with the new Z06. http://blog.caranddriver.com/watch-t...ional-raceway/

Compared to some recent Car and Driver Lightning Laps on the exact same course.
http://m.caranddriver.com/features/l...o-2014-feature

2:43.1 PORSCHE 918 SPYDER
2:45.9 MOSLER MT900S
2:48.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 ACR
2:49.4 NISSAN GT-R NISMO
2:49.8 MOSLER PHOTON
2:49.9 FERRARI 458 ITALIA
2:49.9 SRT VIPER T/A
2:50.7 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1
2:50.8 FERRARI F12BERLINETTA
2:50.9 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z/28
2:51.2 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S
2:51.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1
2:51.8 LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO LP570-4 SUPERLEGGERA
2:52.3 KTM X-BOW
2:53.2 NISSAN GT-R
2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 (Z07)
2:53.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE STINGRAY
2:53.9 LAMBORGHINI MURCIÉLAGO LP670-4 SV
2:54.6 FERRARI 430 SCUDERIA
2:55.1 LEXUS LFA

[swanson]

And Mero missed a shift. I bet the auto runs under 2:40

[wisesoul]

Z06 is a stupid fast track car. But it's a little embarrassing that a stock Hellcat that weighs 900+lbs more can walk it from a highway roll... LT4 is more an LS9 lite.

[swanson]

Originally Posted by wisesoul

Z06 is a stupid fast track car. But it's a little embarrassing that a stock Hellcat that weighs 900+lbs more can walk it from a highway roll... LT4 is more an LS9 lite.

Its built more for the track then the street. The down force slows it down past 120. I couldnt care less about roll racing.

[Wolfinwolfsclothing]

Originally Posted by CirrusSR22

Here's GM doing a 2:41.3 at VIR with the new Z06. http://blog.caranddriver.com/watch-t...ional-raceway/

Compared to some recent Car and Driver Lightning Laps on the exact same course.
http://m.caranddriver.com/features/l...o-2014-feature

2:43.1 PORSCHE 918 SPYDER
2:45.9 MOSLER MT900S
2:48.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 ACR
2:49.4 NISSAN GT-R NISMO
2:49.8 MOSLER PHOTON
2:49.9 FERRARI 458 ITALIA
2:49.9 SRT VIPER T/A
2:50.7 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1
2:50.8 FERRARI F12BERLINETTA
2:50.9 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z/28
2:51.2 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S
2:51.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1
2:51.8 LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO LP570-4 SUPERLEGGERA
2:52.3 KTM X-BOW
2:53.2 NISSAN GT-R
2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 (Z07)
2:53.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE STINGRAY
2:53.9 LAMBORGHINI MURCIÉLAGO LP670-4 SV
2:54.6 FERRARI 430 SCUDERIA
2:55.1 LEXUS LFA

You simply cannot compare though. You're talking about a pro vs amateurs in terms of the driver. And to boot, Chevy was there for days, and spent countless hours whereas the cars above were simply just what the article was, a single lap.
I'm guessing the Z06 would likely fall mid to high 2:40s (2:45-2:48) with a journalist from C&D driving it.

[Vigilante375]

No different than people claiming 'Ring times right? Manufacturers spend how much time there "tuning" their cars to THAT track just for 1 magical time? What difference does it make if they did it at VIR? You see professional drivers doing laps for magazines and see the times that a car WILL run. Why do you think Car and Driver does the Lightning Lap? To show what cars will do in the hands of a pro.

I just don't get people. I bet if this was the 918 or P1 or a GT-R, everyone would be drooling over this.

This has more grip than any street car. And ANY ZOMG! AWD! vehicle. There are people who do track their cars and they are not low joes that spit magazine claims or 'Ring times. They do what the car can do and push it. There are already a number of C7 Z06 owners prepping their cars for upcoming track events.

Another point, is the 'Ring suppose to be the BEST track in the world? So wouldn't those cars tested there be at the top of the list?

[hellrotm]

VIR driver said he missed a shift and time should have been even quicker. Between this time and Milner's Road Atlanta time. The Z06 is beast on the track. Same driver and same day comparos will come eventually.

Interesting to read driver's comments about hitting a wall of air at 150mph. The aero on the car is very aggressive apparently. Explains a lot of two street racing videos. The same Hellcat it lost to on the street, the same day at the dragstrip the Z won heads up. Trap speeds were consistantly higher all day as well. Hellcat never trapped higher than 126mph.

[swanson]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

No different than people claiming 'Ring times right? Manufacturers spend how much time there "tuning" their cars to THAT track just for 1 magical time? What difference does it make if they did it at VIR? You see professional drivers doing laps for magazines and see the times that a car WILL run. Why do you think Car and Driver does the Lightning Lap? To show what cars will do in the hands of a pro.

I just don't get people. I bet if this was the 918 or P1 or a GT-R, everyone would be drooling over this.

This has more grip than any street car. And ANY ZOMG! AWD! vehicle. There are people who do track their cars and they are not low joes that spit magazine claims or 'Ring times. They do what the car can do and push it. There are already a number of C7 Z06 owners prepping their cars for upcoming track events.

Another point, is the 'Ring suppose to be the BEST track in the world? So wouldn't those cars tested there be at the top of the list?

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

VIR driver said he missed a shift and time should have been even quicker. Between this time and Milner's Road Atlanta time. The Z06 is beast on the track. Same driver and same day comparos will come eventually.

Interesting to read driver's comments about hitting a wall of air at 150mph. The aero on the car is very aggressive apparently. Explains a lot of two street racing videos. The same Hellcat it lost to on the street, the same day at the dragstrip the Z won heads up. Trap speeds were consistantly higher all day as well. Hellcat never trapped higher than 126mph.

[TSM330i]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

No different than people claiming 'Ring times right? Manufacturers spend how much time there "tuning" their cars to THAT track just for 1 magical time? What difference does it make if they did it at VIR? You see professional drivers doing laps for magazines and see the times that a car WILL run. Why do you think Car and Driver does the Lightning Lap? To show what cars will do in the hands of a pro.

I just don't get people. I bet if this was the 918 or P1 or a GT-R, everyone would be drooling over this.

This has more grip than any street car. And ANY ZOMG! AWD! vehicle. There are people who do track their cars and they are not low joes that spit magazine claims or 'Ring times. They do what the car can do and push it. There are already a number of C7 Z06 owners prepping their cars for upcoming track events.

Another point, is the 'Ring suppose to be the BEST track in the world? So wouldn't those cars tested there be at the top of the list?

Just a quick note because I do like to see what the pros can do vs. what an amateur can do:
The C&D Lightning Lap is not done by pro drivers. It's the journalists that have about 15-20 laps per car to get the lap time they achieve.

Regardless, this lap time is truly epic!

[CirrusSR22]

AutoBild just lapped it on the Sachsenring and ran a 1:30.47, their production car record.
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/auto-...5-1729280.html

Thats significantly faster than the 911 Turbo S, 458 Speciale, Huracan, McLaren 650S, MP4-12C, Aventador, etc.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/sachsenring.html

AutoBild top speed run.

[buildbright]

Originally Posted by Wolfinwolfsclothing

You simply cannot compare though. You're talking about a pro vs amateurs in terms of the driver. And to boot, Chevy was there for days, and spent countless hours whereas the cars above were simply just what the article was, a single lap.
I'm guessing the Z06 would likely fall mid to high 2:40s (2:45-2:48) with a journalist from C&D driving it.

You are so right. I hate magazine racing.

[CirrusSR22]

A GM supported solution to the heat soak issues?

Callaway Supercharger upgrade. 757 hp, 777 lb.-ft. torque. New supercharger, new inter cooler, new hood, etc.

"Eliminates the power-robbing heat soak phenomenon that other superchargers inherently produce.”

'The heart of the GenThree supercharger system is a 2300-cc TVS rotor pack by Eaton, which is 32 percent larger than the stock Z06’s 1740-cc supercharger. According to Callaway’s testing results, “Inlet air temperature increased by less than 10°F during dyno pulls, compared to increases of at least 35°F with other supercharger systems.”'

Maintains factory warranty. Can pick up at National Corvette Museum.

10.5 sec. @ 131 MPH

http://www.corvetteforum.com/article...z06-announced/

http://www.callawaycars.com/home/car...away-corvette/

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by CirrusSR22

A GM supporter solution to the heat soak issues?

Callaway Supercharger upgrade. 757 hp, 777 lb.-ft. torque. New supercharger, new inter cooler, new hood, etc.

"Eliminates the power-robbing heat soak phenomenon that other superchargers inherently produce.”

'The heart of the GenThree supercharger system is a 2300-cc TVS rotor pack by Eaton, which is 32 percent larger than the stock Z06’s 1740-cc supercharger. According to Callaway’s testing results, “Inlet air temperature increased by less than 10°F during dyno pulls, compared to increases of at least 35°F with other supercharger systems.”'

Maintains factory warranty. Can pick up at National Corvette Museum.

10.5 sec. @ 131 MPH

http://www.corvetteforum.com/article...z06-announced/

http://www.callawaycars.com/home/car...away-corvette/

But how does that do anything to remedy the oil / water temp issues?