[louielouie]

Originally Posted by G8rGrl

Do you like the M2? Was the IS that bad that you didn't want to wait for the M2 and you got the M235i? Just curious, no judgment.

Prepare for a lengthy story about my 2 year string of bad luck. It definitely has been an interesting ride so I, "like" telling it.

I financed the IS in Dec 2013. I was incredibly happy but...

The lot we parked in at work is a public and in February 2014, a car backed into mine requiring a new driver door and fender. $500 deductible. April 2014 the car was hit again while I was at work but in the residential area. The bumper was so bad it had to be replaced. $500.

June 2014 I was fully stopped in traffic on the way to work. A Civic rear ends me because the driver was on her phone. Same month the battery dies, and I have to wait 2 hours at work waiting to be jumped. Battery was completely dead but Dealer said they fully charged it and said health of it was fine.

Oct 2014 I was rear ended again while stopped at a light commuting to work. A Honda Accord was using their phone.. March 2015 a reckless driver merges into me while I was going straight on the freeway. It wasn't his car but the passenger and they both fought me saying I was weaving and hit them. It went to arbitration despite me having a very kind witness who stopped and gave me his info to help. Another $500 (which I just got back relatively recently). July 2015 the battery dies again but it's completely dead. They have to give me another one. This one caused issues with my work projects and I took a lot of heat for it.

Sept 2015 I take my car to replace the tires. This shop ruins all 4 rims and it went into a month long fight where I ended up having to pay my deductible to repair damage they did. November 2015 I get into an accident that's my fault after dodging a car that almost merged into me AND the battery dies again. At this point, I'm out of CA lemon law and Lexus just gives me another new battery. That next week, the car dies again. I dump it 1st week of December at Carmax and lease the BMW.

Was a terrible experience which ended up costing me $23,000+ to own a car for 2 years.

P.S. Yea, I love the M2. I just really really needed that car gone.

[nick3753]

Originally Posted by louielouie

Prepare for a lengthy story about my 2 year string of bad luck. It definitely has been an interesting ride so I, "like" telling it.

I financed the IS in Dec 2013. I was incredibly happy but...

The lot we parked in at work is a public and in February 2014, a car backed into mine requiring a new driver door and fender. $500 deductible. April 2014 the car was hit again while I was at work but in the residential area. The bumper was so bad it had to be replaced. $500.

June 2014 I was fully stopped in traffic on the way to work. A Civic rear ends me because the driver was on her phone. Same month the battery dies, and I have to wait 2 hours at work waiting to be jumped. Battery was completely dead but Dealer said they fully charged it and said health of it was fine.

Oct 2014 I was rear ended again while stopped at a light commuting to work. A Honda Accord was using their phone.. March 2015 a reckless driver merges into me while I was going straight on the freeway. It wasn't his car but the passenger and they both fought me saying I was weaving and hit them. It went to arbitration despite me having a very kind witness who stopped and gave me his info to help. Another $500 (which I just got back relatively recently). July 2015 the battery dies again but it's completely dead. They have to give me another one. This one caused issues with my work projects and I took a lot of heat for it.

Sept 2015 I take my car to replace the tires. This shop ruins all 4 rims and it went into a month long fight where I ended up having to pay my deductible to repair damage they did. November 2015 I get into an accident that's my fault after dodging a car that almost merged into me AND the battery dies again. At this point, I'm out of CA lemon law and Lexus just gives me another new battery. That next week, the car dies again. I dump it 1st week of December at Carmax and lease the BMW.

Was a terrible experience which ended up costing me $23,000+ to own a car for 2 years.

P.S. Yea, I love the M2. I just really really needed that car gone.

Wait a second. You made the comment about the cost of ownership for 2 years being terrible and reliability issues for your IS thus justifying a switch to BMW. Outside of the battery issue (which could have been you leaving a light on for all we know), all your other "ownership expenses" were accident related and the need for new tires after 20k miles. Am I missing something?:

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by chaungo

Of course it's slower, it's a V8 NA that weighs 4000lbs+

Again, OP says he's going to DD it. The M2 weighs 25lbs less than the M4.

And that 3.8 seconds is VERY overestimated. That's perfect conditions. In real world conditions, you'll only get between 4-4.3seconds as launching the M3/M4 is retarded as it has too much torque for the 2 rear wheels to handle, the DTC will pop up nonstop.

It's a twin turbo vs NA old V8 that's fairly rare nowadays.

Again, people buy Lexus because shit won't break on them, BMW has a history of stuff breaking prematurely and that's why they lease. That's the difference, people are more likely to own the lexus over bmw.

IMO if he wants a good car, the GT350R destroys the M3/M4 and the RCF. Ford really did a great job.

Or hell he can get the new corvette z06.

Agree on all fronts. Regarding real world 0-60 launch times, same conditional factor hold true for all cars. Thus applied to the RCF in kind.

GT350R is awesome and now a rear seat is an option (OP) criteria I overlooked.

Although not sure if OP is looking to lease or buy.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by nick3753

Wait a second. You made the comment about the cost of ownership for 2 years being terrible and reliability issues for your IS thus justifying a switch to BMW. Outside of the battery issue (which could have been you leaving a light on for all we know), all your other "ownership expenses" were accident related and the need for new tires after 20k miles. Am I missing something?:

If you own/lease a BMW within warranty, you don't pay for anything out of pocket. I never have and I've had over 7 myself since the late 1990s.

The most trouble-free BMW I've ever had was an E39 530i Sport. The least reliable was an E60 M5. M235i hasn't been bad at all yet outside of the 2 recalls. Knock on wood.

But, I will never dispute that overall Lexus IS more reliable than BMW.

[louielouie]

Originally Posted by nick3753

Wait a second. You made the comment about the cost of ownership for 2 years being terrible and reliability issues for your IS thus justifying a switch to BMW. Outside of the battery issue (which could have been you leaving a light on for all we know), all your other "ownership expenses" were accident related and the need for new tires after 20k miles. Am I missing something?:

...The headlights are automatic. Is it even realistic to assume that someone would leave their interior lights on that often? I've probably turned those on twice across every car I've owned hahaha.

Driving this car also included the oil changes, tranny flush, brake flush, etc. If I leased a BMW, I wouldn't be out of pocket for the majority of these costs. Even the tires considering they most likely wouldn't need to be changed. Without the accidents, it still would have been at least $2000 cheaper to lease the BMW.

[eluded]

His Lexus was cursed. Good riddance

[Blackraven]

So your debating either RC-F Carbon or M235i?

I would definitely go with the Lexus as you get more car out of it

[Stevens21234]

Originally Posted by chaungo

Honestly, I did too and it wasn't that bad. What kept the car in the back of my mind is the reliability.

I could drive the car over 150,000KM and not have to worry about water pumps or anything breaking, and if it does it will be pretty cheap to repair.

Interior isn't bad, seats are comfy, and the customer service is exceptional, I've never felt so welcome and important at a dealership before.

It's not the fastest in the world but it's fast enough.

Performance sucks. Even reliability is questionable. Multiple fuel pump failures and idle problems with lexus lemoning some of the cars.

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/rc-f...fuel-pump.html

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/rc-f...n-the-rcf.html

Not sure why anyone would get this car given how it drives and questionale reliability.

[lens]

Originally Posted by Stevens21234

Performance sucks. Even reliability is questionable. Multiple fuel pump failures and idle problems with lexus lemoning some of the cars.

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/rc-f...fuel-pump.html

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/rc-f...n-the-rcf.html

Not sure why anyone would get this car given how it drives and questionale reliability.

That's like what 1-2 cars per 100?

I have a friend who has 85,000KM on his RCF when he bought it used with only 1500KM and no problems, only brake and oil changes.

I can probably look around and find 20x more problems with the M cars than the RCF, and it'll probably cost less to fix the lexus than the BMW.

[DS_BMW]

Originally Posted by gtron

There are huge discounts to be had on the RC-F. Especially if you find a 2015. The problem is that all the dealers that are discounting them have them loaded to about $80k MSRP so even with the discount it's a hard pill to swallow IMO. I drove a few and they were fun but not $80k fun. They feel closer to $60k fun.

That's all my opinion though so they might be worth driving. Perhaps you'll love it and feel they're worth it!

There are 3 new 2015's by me. All around 73k list price.

[mrkoven]

rcf drives like a boat and the front grill is disgusting, boggles my mind how anyone would prefer it over an m3/4

[Stevens21234]

Originally Posted by chaungo

That's like what 1-2 cars per 100?

I have a friend who has 85,000KM on his RCF when he bought it used with only 1500KM and no problems, only brake and oil changes.

I can probably look around and find 20x more problems with the M cars than the RCF, and it'll probably cost less to fix the lexus than the BMW.

19 comfirmed unique posters on that one thread with an estimated 200 rcf owners on club lexus. Couple this with the fact that lexus is only projecting 200 sold per month worldwide and is not hitting that mark given the ridiculous 10k sales incentives. You dont need my MIT engineering degree to do the math and figure out this problem is likely significant. I'm not going to say the f8x platform is more reliable than the rcf, given the lexus track record. But let's not claim the rcf is automatically more reliable either given the early indictments of multiple fuel pump failures in the same car (it is evident lexus has not found a permanent solution) in addition to other problems early in the lifecycle. Long term Reliability for both platforms is an unknown variable at this juncture.

As for f8x failures, find me 19 failures on stock cars not due to user error (money shifts, racing before breakin, hitting an object damaging the undercarriage). You'll have a hard time.

[eluded]

Originally Posted by Stevens21234

money shifts, racing before breakin

What u mean ?

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by mrkoven

rcf drives like a boat and the front grill is disgusting, boggles my mind how anyone would prefer it over an m3/4

I personally prefer N/A V8 over Turbo 6.

Different strokes for different folks though

[mremg]

I saw the RC-F on a track not too long ago and I was more than impressed. I thought they were POS thanks to Top Gear, but I like it much more now. I would suggest test driving it rather than trusting the reviews.

[CHIA]

So I am a new owner of a 2015 Lexus RCF. I absolutely love this car and would like to share my opinions and thoughts. My best friend drives an 2009 Lexus ISF and it was one hell of a car. However I've always been a BMW guy myself, so I figured when time comes for a new car - the M3/M4 would be the obvious choice. Well the time came and the M3/M4 (while affordable) was a bit more than I was comfortable on spending on a car especially at my age. I just couldn't pull the trigger and I was bent on driving the wheels off my Mazdaspeed 3 before I had to make that difficult decision.

I agree with some of the statements here, that for the 75K-80K range that Lexus is asking for, there are better cars for the money on paper. No question about that in my opinion! Although I guess it could be argued by some folks that they want the Toyota reliability with the performance in which they would be willing to pay a premium for it.

It wasn't until I was browsing ClubLexus that I figured some folks were getting very good deals. I'd figure I'd go negotiate around for fun (that's what I do for a living anyways). I was fortune enough to be able to negotiate a 73K sticker RCF down to 56K + TTL. Exactly 60K OTD! That price was actual better than I was expecting. It was actually cheaper than my friend's 2009 ISF!

At that price, I don't think there is any competition for what you get. The BMW M2 might be quicker around a tight technical track but where there are long straights, it'd be close. The RCF would probably be the more reliable car, has a better interior, and that sound of the V8 is addicting. The C43 AMG (my cousin has one) is not even close to being a competitor. We have taken a ride in both his car and mine, and he was blown away by the speed of the RCF. The RCF was definitely faster than the C43 AMG no doubt about that - and for that price, I wouldn't ever consider a C43 AMG.

At that 60K mark, I can't think of a new car that I would take over the RCF. BMW M2 would be the closest though. Infiniti is also releasing a 400HP Q60S for under $50,000. That could be a potential competitor even though it might not have the power and I'm assuming it would weigh quite a bit as well.