[x5mannn]

I like the 650 GC, I drove one recently and the MSRP was higher than a base 740. It was $106,000

[CalCarNut]

Old(ish) news. The 3GT and the 4GC look 'similiar'...more like an Xdrive 4GC that got stung by a bee and swelled up. I'm hoping they keep the 4GC as is since there already exists the X1,X3,X5,X7, etc for those looking for more space.

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by jts1981

911 rival would be great. But lets be real. BMW can have the next Z5 be a 911 rival but the fact is BMW doesn't want to make sportscars. REAL sports cars. They focused on making SUVS and making M versions of trucks and station wagons. With that in mind I won't hold my breath for a BMW 911 rival. Actually now that the guy from Audi is in charge I think my next new car will be a Jag.

BMW is lost and they need help to focus, not more station wagons and trucks with an M logo.

Audi have a beautiful normally aspirated v10 R8

Hopefully the guy from Audi hasn't forgotten that since coming to BMW haha

[Pentium]

Originally Posted by raleedy

You've got it exactly right. They are replacing a swan with a pig. Somebody figured out that the 6-series was the brand's sweet spot. They're fixing that.

my god....

How on earth a GC and a GT will be one car?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by N & M

New 5 Series will not have CLAR or carbon architecture as in the current 7.

This contradicts everything we've heard to date. Can you point us to a source for your information?

[brad850csi]

One thing that is forgotten about when being negative about the F12/F13 is that it is very unique in that it has 4 seats that are usable by people. Sure you won't get 4 6'6" people into one, but it is possible to get 5'9" tall people into the back seat and be somewhat comfortable with people that are under 6" in the front seats.

The only other coupes that do that currently for sale with a V8 or more cylinders are the S Class Coupe and the Ferrari FF/GTC4.

That is why I want my next car to be an F13 M6. I own an 850CSi because I wanted a V12 with a 6 speed and the 850i is just too slow! The M6 will be my new daily however to replace my C63.

I like the idea of a Vantage/911/R8 or whatever fighter, but surely that means it will be a two seater and then it should be called a Z6 or Z8 or whatever you want to call it, rather than a normal 6 or 8 series?

The current F12/F13 is still quite sporty in comparison to an S Class Coupe and lets not forget that around Hockenheim that the M2, M4 and M6 all get a 1:12.xx lap.

However I don't see that there is room for a future 6 coupe and an 8 coupe. It'd have to end up like this:

4GC continues and has an M4 GC option next time around with higher end 4 and 6 cylinder options (I don't think a 420i is needed)

3GT and 5GT can go and die in a fire

640/650/M6 stay effectively as they are now, closely related to the 5 series but only coupe and vert. Keep the same 6 and 8 cylinder options. I'd love to see a transaxle but I am sure that is being way too optimistic.

8 series comes out closely related to the 7 series and with 4 doors, kind of like the F10 to F06 transformation at the moment. 6, 8, 12 cylinder options. This is the F06 replacement.

Z6 or Z8 comes out to fight the 2 seat sports cars. Has to have a V8 option. Prefer a transaxle to get more weight onto the rear. Still allows for a Z4 or Z5 to sit below it only going up to an i6 engine.

[N & M]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

This contradicts everything we've heard to date. Can you point us to a source for your information?

Can't discuss specifics but very reliable source. You will have to wait and see. It is not far off now.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by N & M

Can't discuss specifics but very reliable source. You will have to wait and see. It is not far off now.

Ok, well, absent any proof, we'll stick with the established facts. Thanks for your comments.

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Ok, well, absent any proof, we'll stick with the established facts. Thanks for your comments,

Agreed. Everything so far says CLAR cluster architecture formerly known as 35UP for 3 series onwards.

So what is this alternative theory that is being postulated N & M? I'm not dismissing what you're saying, I'm curious as to what your alternative theory is?

All you've said is it's not CLAR and not said anything else at all... no one as far as I know has heard anything like this to date

[raysspl]

Totally cool with me

[Alpina_B3_Lux]

Originally Posted by MSteve5036

Seems smart to axe a car while the 6GC is one of BMWs best looking and the GT3 series just moved to the platform

Cant wait for the 8 series GT3 race car

Yeah, it does not really seem logical or a good idea.

On the other hand, the profit margins on the 8 series will be even higher than on the 6 series.

And the 6 series GT3 is an abomination IMO, just like the Bentley GT3. Just a caricature really, and underlining the fact that BMW does not have a real sports car in its lineup.

[Alpina_B3_Lux]

Originally Posted by YungDro

6 series = light sporty GT car

That won't work as long as it's based on the 5 series. If it isn't, it can't really be called a 6 series any longer.

And BMW will not make a real sports car anyway. All CEOs have said that this is not on the agenda, and the i8 really does not count in that respect.

Oh yeah, and please no M8, that would be ridiculous. Another M badge on a 2-ton-plus car?

[cipher5]

As long as the GC gets relabeled the GT I'm ok, but the GT cars now are not attractive looking

[M3 Number 86]

another thought.

If they do bring back the 8, I hope they don't stick to their normal bigger number has to be bigger body.

Can't they just make an R8 competitor? I mean, that's an 8 too and not HUGE.

[YungDro]

thread closed....

[DCG]

Bigger does not mean better.