[jnotrom711]

On my F90 comp the carbon roof was a must... and I think it's probably 80/20 maybe 70/30 who would prefer the carbon roof on the f90? Maybe?

But with the G90, and it being already a fat pig, does it make sense to opt for the carbon roof now?

I like that the G90 comes with a panoramic roof if you dont opt for the carbon.

Will it be like the f90? where the non-carbon roof'd cars no one wants?

I think I would probably opt for the glass this time, if I end up getting one.

Over all I like the car, hopefully theyll introduce an M5 Red Label with more power. But also hopefully when real time testing is done the performance numbers bmw have cited are nonsense just like the numbers they always cite....

[subterFUSE]

It's heavy enough with a carbon roof. A glass roof will add another 200 lbs?

[jnotrom711]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

It's heavy enough with a carbon roof. A glass roof will add another 200 lbs?

It's been noted that the carbon roof saves about 60Lbs, or 35kgs.

Im more so wondering if people would opt for it now that it's a full panoramic glass roof, vs a small sunroof. The carbon roof looks really good on the f90 and g90, and there was no glass option on f90, so to me with out the contrasting color of the glass/carbon full roof, the f90s with sunroof look odd to me. But maybe the glass on the g90 will be cool. Mainly wondering if the glass panoramic roof on g90 would be more accepted than the sunroof f90 cars, which some people would not buy simply because of the sunroof.

Wasnt sure if for the f90 it was purely weight saving that everyone wanted, or was it a "cool" factor to have an exposed carbon roof.

Cant imagine the weight is that noticeable on the f90 or g90. Maybe rigidity ? Maybe cosmetic choice?

[beaups]

Originally Posted by jnotrom711

It's been noted that the carbon roof saves about 60Lbs, or 35kgs.

Im more so wondering if people would opt for it now that it's a full panoramic glass roof, vs a small sunroof. The carbon roof looks really good on the f90 and g90, and there was no glass option on f90, so to me with out the contrasting color of the glass/carbon full roof, the f90s with sunroof look odd to me. But maybe the glass on the g90 will be cool. Mainly wondering if the glass panoramic roof on g90 would be more accepted than the sunroof f90 cars, which some people would not buy simply because of the sunroof.

Wasnt sure if for the f90 it was purely weight saving that everyone wanted, or was it a "cool" factor to have an exposed carbon roof.

Cant imagine the weight is that noticeable on the f90 or g90. Maybe rigidity ? Maybe cosmetic choice?

35kg is 77lbs. It’s more that just the weight (whatever it actually is). It’s that the extra weight is on the highest point of the car…the handling implications are much more severe than adding that same weight somewhere else.

[S EyeLand]

I THINK the solid roof ads a considerable amount of rigidity. When I first drove my F90 the first thing i noticed was the overwhelming feel of how solid the package was. I'm not sure how it would feel with a gap in the roof, never drove an F90 with moon roof. My F10 M5 was 5 years old when I bought the F90 so maybe it was age, but the F90 felt like it was all one solid piece. Maybe it was just in my head. It made my F85 feel like a jalopy and the F80* M3 like a tin can. I plan on getting the same build for the G90.

[jnotrom711]

Originally Posted by beaups

35kg is 77lbs. It’s more that just the weight (whatever it actually is). It’s that the extra weight is on the highest point of the car…the handling implications are much more severe than adding that same weight somewhere else.

Yes i'm fully aware of the benefits of having weight lower to lower the center of gravity. However, the previous carbon roof vs sunroof I believe that weight saving was larger due to it having a sunroof that opened (I could be wrong, I don't know the exact weights on the f90 vs g90 sunroof/glass).

Yes, some videos said "34-35KG", some said "66 lbs" some said "around 60 lbs" I don't know the exact, was basing it off the videos. Close enough for the purpose of this thread.

Point is it's a minimal savings. Especially on a 5400lb car.

With the minimal or negligible savings, would people then opt for the panoramic roof over the carbon? or would the carbon still be the more sought after option.

on my f90, sunroof cars were out and I wouldn't consider them at all. Glass panoramic ? That I may decide I prefer over the carbon...

I also don't track my cars, so that weight savings to me isnt that relevant.

[jnotrom711]

Originally Posted by S EyeLand

I THINK the solid roof ads a considerable amount of rigidity. When I first drove my F90 the first thing i noticed was the overwhelming feel of how solid the package was. I'm not sure how it would feel with a gap in the roof, never drove an F90 with moon roof. My F10 M5 was 5 years old when I bought the F90 so maybe it was age, but the F90 felt like it was all one solid piece. Maybe it was just in my head. It made my F85 feel like a jalopy and the F80* M3 like a tin can. I plan on getting the same build for the G90.

Yes thats certainly a factor. And someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like the G90 panoramic option wont actually open like a sunroof. I wonder if the glass would have similar effects on rigidity of the car? Have to imagine it's a similar process as the carbon attaching it to the car. Probably some sort of support structure and the carbon or glass epoxied/riveted to it? Not sure. But would think it would be similar. My F10 had the sunroof and I didn't notice the same as you have mentioned, but doesn't mean you're not correct. I just didnt notice myself.

[Rossocorsa]

My F90 C has a sunroof and i love it. Great way to hear more engine noise and get some light and wind in as needed. I also have the exec package (cooling seats, massage seats, soft close doors) and driver assist package (camera system, adaptive cruise). It’s the ultimate GT car!!

[greentrbo95gst]

I wonder if they would offer the CF roof in he wagon.

[micvite]

Originally Posted by jnotrom711

Yes thats certainly a factor. And someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like the G90 panoramic option wont actually open like a sunroof. I wonder if the glass would have similar effects on rigidity of the car? Have to imagine it's a similar process as the carbon attaching it to the car. Probably some sort of support structure and the carbon or glass epoxied/riveted to it? Not sure. But would think it would be similar. My F10 had the sunroof and I didn't notice the same as you have mentioned, but doesn't mean you're not correct. I just didnt notice myself.

I have a feeling that the people looking at the new m5s aren't going to be the ones that care about handling. They really just made it a faster 5 series this time instead of an m5 in my opinion, but we'll see how that opinion holds up after I actually drive the thing. But just looking at the builder on the uk website the car is meant as more of a family oriented cruiser with 700 hp instead of a car you'd ever want to take to a track (for instance the roof, connections for tablet mounts and USB charger coming from the back of the front seat, etc) whats interesting is the new m5s don't even get the fancy lane change and level 2+ driving assist that the 7 series got which for me is already a deal breaker though having the automatic parking is cool at least.... it's like the m5 is the forgotten middle child between the 3 and 7 series and never quite gets enough love in either direction, comfort or sportiness. One such example is the weird experimental headlights on the f90 that don't work as intended nor advertised and are found on NO other model other than the g30 (lights are entirely different from any of the other cars in the model line up whereas the 3 4 7 and 8 series essentially use the same tech that works normally as every bmw before it and I suspect the g90 is back to that same design after the failed f90/g30 experiment)

I just think the 5 series is in a weird spot and now the m5 just doesn't have anything really going for it over a normal 5 series but we'll see...

[Mach550]

Wondering how many like myself chose the M550i to get 75-80 percent of the fun but with a ton more comfort. Now that the V8 is solely for the M5 we may need to see more luxury options at least for myself to grow interest.

The last 3-4 years of squeezing down on luxury features like soft close or periods throughout the year that didn't have wireless charging pads really affects interest. Now they're seeing that they can save pennies on each vehicle by not offering quality that we've been accustomed to.

As far as glass vs carbon, I'd need to see what the glass roof will look like when open or closed. I like how BMW's hide the glass in the roof and not like other brands where its a chunk of glass making the exterior look terrible with it open.

[jnotrom711]

Originally Posted by Mach550

Wondering how many like myself chose the M550i to get 75-80 percent of the fun but with a ton more comfort. Now that the V8 is solely for the M5 we may need to see more luxury options at least for myself to grow interest.

The last 3-4 years of squeezing down on luxury features like soft close or periods throughout the year that didn't have wireless charging pads really affects interest. Now they're seeing that they can save pennies on each vehicle by not offering quality that we've been accustomed to.

As far as glass vs carbon, I'd need to see what the glass roof will look like when open or closed. I like how BMW's hide the glass in the roof and not like other brands where its a chunk of glass making the exterior look terrible with it open.

From what I understand, and I could be wrong, it appears the panoramic glass roof will not open. It will be fixed. Unless you mean the interior shade headliner, which I would imagine will open.

Again, I could be completely wrong, but from reading (skimming) and browsing some of the videos, I got the impression the glass would not move or open like a sunroof at all and only be a fixed piece of glass. Which I would actually be ok with. I rarely opened the roof in my f10, and my g63, its opened occasionally, but in AZ the sun def beats down on your head with it open fully.

[RPiM5]

The Panaramic Glass roof does not open. It’s same for every other G60 model. But on the regular G60 models you do get an option for an opening sun roof. If was getting a G90 M5, I’d get the Carbon Roof.

[RichardInCA]

Originally Posted by micvite

…connections for tablet mounts and USB charger coming from the back of the front seat, etc) whats interesting is the new m5s don't even get the fancy lane change and level 2+ driving assist that the 7 series got which for me is already a deal breaker

I have 2 miniUSB outlets just behind the front cup holders on my M60 and the Driver Assistance Pro package is available for the other G60’s - did they really remove those from the M5?

[micvite]

Originally Posted by RichardInCA

I have 2 miniUSB outlets just behind the front cup holders on my M60 and the Driver Assistance Pro package is available for the other G60’s - did they really remove those from the M5?

You have drivers assistance you just don't have bmw pilot or whatever it's called where you turn your head to do lane changes and hands free driving up to 85 mph like the 7 series. As for the USB outlets I'm tlaking about the fact that you can order USB outlets in the seat backs.

[RichardInCA]

Originally Posted by micvite

You have drivers assistance you just don't have bmw pilot or whatever it's called where you turn your head to do lane changes and hands free driving up to 85 mph like the 7 series. As for the USB outlets I'm tlaking about the fact that you can order USB outlets in the seat backs.

The i5 driver assistance pro package is as you describe.

[micvite]

Originally Posted by RichardInCA

The i5 driver assistance pro package is as you describe.

Well the g90 doesn't say that sadly so maybe it's a mistake in the description or they left it out with the soft close doors

[335i101]

I am fine with the panoramic option, none of us is noticing 60lbs on a 5,400lbs vehicle. I don’t think handling would be noticeable either….it still has a roof, so the rigidity will be there (for those of us planning on tracking this tank…).

I got the carbon roof package on my 911, for me it was for looks as it was part of a package with a different spoiler, carbon mirrors etc.. (and I had a traumatic experience with a moonroof many years ago when the roof wouldn’t close and it began to rain…I never open them anymore ha)

Hopefully, buyers can build their M around not having the carbon fiber, still equip their car with the options they want, and save some money….However, like Porsche does, I am guessing the carbon roof with be packaged with other enticing options only available with the package.

[j3o3t3]

I love having a Sunroof ( Open all the time or at least tilted) , wish this option existed for new G90 .

If I had to choose between Panoramic or Carbon- Id go Panoramic just to get more light in the cabin

[DHDCF]

For me it's easy - cf roof....where I'm struggling is w/ color, I want to get this right. Anything dark takes a bit away from really being able to appreciate the cf roof's looks...but dark, such as the FDG, looks amazing on this car.

[OliwerSE]

Originally Posted by DHDCF

For me it's easy - cf roof....where I'm struggling is w/ color, I want to get this right. Anything dark takes a bit away from really being able to appreciate the cf roof's looks...but dark, such as the FDG, looks amazing on this car.

If you go with FDG at least the shiny carbon will pop against the color

I’ve been looking at the 5 IRL multiple times and went with black metallic - the bright colors does just not compliment the shape of this car.

IOMG is nice though, but I’m not brave enough to go for that color.