[TSM2]

Originally Posted by DJ Asthma

Some things you said I agree with (most actually), some not so much. The performance in particular. Don't get me wrong, we all saw the power to weight comparison and the claimed 0-100km/h time but we have not actually see a proper track test (just test mules on a lap, where they said the weight can be felt at times but it hides it), which is something said about the heavy weights G8x vs f8x (not the same degree of weight I know) but in all account the are reviewed as superior performance cars and deliver the times to prove it too. So before we just write it off, let's see what it does, optimism over pessimism. When the full independent reviews land and it gets out paced by an F10 yeah, then we can bring out the tiki torches 😂😂😂😂😂

F90 best car they have ever made... Yeah I am not going into this but to each their own 😂😂😂😂😂

As for the group think, I am with you 💯, if you buy something hoping to like it in the future, you are playing with your money and are the reason I said in an earlier post that sales does not equal liking/accepting the design. One can use their money as they see fit, but if those who buy hoping to like it in the end and don't must know they are the reason the next one will look the same, as the wallets have spoken 😂😂😂😂

I’m sorry but in what world do you act like the M5 CS was not the best modern production BMW? Lest we delve into the dozens of automotive journals that staked their reputation to that point. Like I punctuated my initial post; clown show.

[TSM2]

Originally Posted by Remigijus

Strange conclusion. F90 is present from 2017. To F90 we got used to. Stating G90 was not, when it was released just days ago?

No, the F90 is not better looking. It's just a matter of opinion. G90 is slower in 0-100. And yes, it's heavier than X5. And it sounds similar to XM.

And the roles wouldn't be reversed, the F90 now is just outdated. No matter how good the car in general is performance or design-wise.

I like the G90 design take, but the realization is just bad. Downgrande in almost all aspects from materials, options, and performance.

Some people won't like the G90 as some didn't F90 or older generations as E60 (which was accepted similar to this one), and some would like even more and be new customers for the M5.

I am not sure what is strange about my conclusion. What is strange is your complete lack of ability to articulate the English language. It’s difficult to take such a disjointed, grammatically incorrect post seriously.

[nawktrebor]

I really like the G90. To me, BMW has always had some sort of "transition" model when it comes to their more modern cars. These transition models have never resonated with me. Again, just my opinion here for the 5 Series.


E39 - Love it!

E60 (Transition Model) - Love the S85 but not the car.

F10 - Love it! BMW recovered from the E60 debacle with this car.

F90 - (Transition Model) - Very similar car to the F10. BMW tried to make the car more aggressive with larger visual accents that are not proportional to the rest of the design language.

G90 - Loving it so far as the proportions are correct for all visual aspects. I really like how the M5 has fender flares now to set it apart from the Series Car!

[Seanpatio]

The F90 only looks "bland" when it's bone stock. Add all the M Perf Carbon, M Perf HAS, and some spacers... The car is aggressive as f*ck. Take it a step further and get some nice wheels and its absolutely gorgeous. Its always about the details.

[Remigijus]

Originally Posted by TSM2

I am not sure what is strange about my conclusion. What is strange is your complete lack of ability to articulate the English language. It’s difficult to take such a disjointed, grammatically incorrect post seriously.

Oh, why are you editing the posts then? Stating that F90 is better in every aspect. And "everyone would come out saying this is the best car that BMW had ever made"?

And nice attitude.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by TSM2

“bmw doesn't make a car for enthusiasts anymore. its a brand mostly for posers and 400 credit score buy here pay here people. the M2 is sadly the last real M car worth a damn. “

You’re entirely correct in my mind. This is the definitive reason why I am really looking forward to moving out of my current F90 into a Porsche or an Aston. Brands who’s consumers seem to be enthusiasts in the true automotive sense, and not those peacocking for the newest latest greatest.

Porsche is moving mostly to EV’s/hybrids, no/very few manuals, digital clusters, sound piped through speakers just like BMW and significantly elevated/further up-market price structures (…my ‘22 C2S that I paid about $150k for in 2022 would be $200k built today). Porsche consumers “peacock” no differently than BMW buyers, after all, a vast majority of Porsche buyers - including myself - came from BMW. You’re not escaping what you’re running from. It’ll be much of the same over in these woods. Any enthusiast spec car Porsche makes isn’t really accessible to the average Porsche buyer and look to pay $400k+ if you can get your hands on one. A GT3RS or 911 S/T, the two enthusiast spec cars in the line-up (…one PDK-only and the other manual -only) will run you half a million dollars.

[TSM2]

Originally Posted by Remigijus

Oh, why are you editing the posts then? Stating that F90 is better in every aspect. And "everyone would come out saying this is the best car that BMW had ever made"?

And nice attitude.

Seethe.

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by TSM2

Why don’t we stop being lemmings? Let’s view things objectively.

Based on initial reviews, the F90’s design was loved. The G90 was not. Conclusion? The F90 is objectively better looking, on the basis of positive reviews per capita. The F90 was faster. The G90 is slower. The F90 was lighter, the G90 is heavier. The F90 is louder. The G90 will, by all accounts, sound like a neutered vacuum. I refuse to believe that beyond group think most of you actually believe the G90 is superior.

If the roles were reversed and the F90 was the successor, everyone would come out saying this is the best car that BMW had ever made. Why? Because that’s was the precise sentiment about the F90. We wonder why cars keep getting worse year over year?

It’s simple. The over cooked spaghetti noodle that is your moral convictions give implicit permission for BMW to shove this down our throat. “Oh I’ll get used to it.” Clown show.

[TSM2]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

I am not sure what the implication here is. Is it that because of my dissatisfaction with the direction of the brand that my points are now invalid? Your emotionality is not an effective retort. When you wake up and realize that the move towards hybridization serves as a mere stepping stone towards the death of the internal combustion engine, you will be needing more Kleenex than I.

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by supershaft

bmw doesn't make a car for enthusiasts anymore. its a brand mostly for posers and 400 credit score buy here pay here people. the M2 is sadly the last real M car worth a damn. And sorry the M3/4 isn't as good as it used to be - take one to the track and you are likely to blow a brake line or cook your brakes at best. yes the m3 is fast but so are a lot of things but it just doesn't stir the soul like the previous M3s did like the E90/92. I say this as a long time bmw owner for almost 20 years bmw has lost the plot trying to cater to new markets

these are sometimes emotional purchases but you put the i5 and the m5 in the side profile you can't tell the difference and that's not even considering the interior.

Heh I mean technically you’re correct since the m2 was the last one that released, I think

I remember a few years ago BMW hosted a track event at Laguna Seca that included some laps in their M lineup at the time. I’ve driven that track a number of times over the years in my own cars as it’s local to me, so not totally unfamiliar. I drove a G82 first, and followed that with some laps in an F90 comp. The G82 felt stable, predictable, and had exceptional turn-in and grip up front. It felt perfectly at home, and they were running them all day long. It left such an impression on me that I ordered mine later that afternoon if you haven’t driven one yet give it a chance, maybe you’ll enjoy it

[supershaft]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Porsche is moving mostly to EV’s/hybrids, no/very few manuals, digital clusters, sound piped through speakers just like BMW and significantly elevated/further up-market price structures (…my ‘22 C2S that I paid about $150k for in 2022 would be $200k built today). Porsche consumers “peacock” no differently than BMW buyers, after all, a vast majority of Porsche buyers - including myself - came from BMW. You’re not escaping what you’re running from. It’ll be much of the same over in these woods. Any enthusiast spec car Porsche makes isn’t really accessible to the average Porsche buyer and look to pay $400k+ if you can get your hands on one. A GT3RS or 911 S/T, the two enthusiast spec cars in the line-up (…one PDK-only and the other manual -only) will run you half a million dollars.

you can get a manual gt3, a manual carrera t, S, and GTS up until now. Even my GT3 was barely over msrp - $258 to be exact. Porsche hasn't ruled out manuals like BMW has and there is still more in store. Yes Porsche is pricier by a wide margin but they still offer more of the experience enthusiasts want. heck, go buy a 991.2 manual porsche of some kind then. theres also a rumor of a turbo manual ala sport classic that actually wont be some limited nonsense.

[TigahRouge]

The G90 is better looking and it is not even close!! My guess it will be just as fast or faster than the F90, despite the added weight…

[DJ Asthma]

Originally Posted by TSM2

I’m sorry but in what world do you act like the M5 CS was not the best modern production BMW? Lest we delve into the dozens of automotive journals that staked their reputation to that point. Like I punctuated my initial post; clown show.

😂😂😂😂😂In what world, the world we live in, the world we are on😂😂😂😂 because if we are being fair, the M5 CS, is a really heavy car. The M5 CS also has Awd. Now are the best drivers cars heavy and awd... I think you see where I am going. If it was so good as a platform and as drivers car it would be the vehicle of choice for motorsport, it is not. Why because of the same reason people are losing their minds about the G90 weight. For what the M5 CS is, it's amazing, but as you said with your reputable reviews, I am sure they will not deny how heavy it is.

Furthermore, please note at how you have changed your point, before it was the F90 was the best car BMW has ever made, now the M5 CS is the best modern production bmw (two different things). I am sure the reason you phrase it like this is due to what I was referring to and that it is not the best bmw ever. So re-read what I said in response to what you said, I am with you, I agree with alot of what you said, but by your own measure if the G90 performs like an m5 cs, and the looks grow on your, you may say it's the best modern production BMW... Which is why I said, let's wait and see when it gets tested independently. Remember, before the cs, there was a normal m5, then a competition then the lci then Cs. Remember claim 0-100 was 3.4 for a normal m5, the G90 claimed is 3.5... If the G90 out runs an m5 cs, then out paces it around a track and finally also get a cs trim... I would love to see what we say then, but until then we shall see, if it flops we can bury it if not one must respect the engineering as they have done with the M5 cs

[Habs]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

You’re ignoring the M2, M3, and M4. You can’t get the M8 with a manual transmission. In my experience the G80 6MT is one of the best M cars ever made. And we’ve had a bunch of them. It’s the lighter, more sophisticated and faster e39 M5.

G80 6MT all the way! Got one 3 months ago and love it. My 3rd M, after E90 and F80. It’s much better than these two on all levels.

[Habs]

And Aston is not a brand for posers?

[supershaft]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

Heh I mean technically you’re correct since the m2 was the last one that released, I think

I remember a few years ago BMW hosted a track event at Laguna Seca that included some laps in their M lineup at the time. I’ve driven that track a number of times over the years in my own cars as it’s local to me, so not totally unfamiliar. I drove a G82 first, and followed that with some laps in an F90 comp. The G82 felt stable, predictable, and had exceptional turn-in and grip up front. It felt perfectly at home, and they were running them all day long. It left such an impression on me that I ordered mine later that afternoon if you haven’t driven one yet give it a chance, maybe you’ll enjoy it

I have driven the G82 on the street. they are really really great cars but I've been spoiled by 911s so the personal bar has been raised lol. I had a chance to drive the F90 M5 and M8 at Monticello a few years back and the general consensus among all the drivers was that the F90 felt like a better track car over the M8.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by supershaft

you can get a manual gt3, a manual carrera t, S, and GTS up until now. Even my GT3 was barely over msrp - $258 to be exact. Porsche hasn't ruled out manuals like BMW has and there is still more in store. Yes Porsche is pricier by a wide margin but they still offer more of the experience enthusiasts want. heck, go buy a 991.2 manual porsche of some kind then. theres also a rumor of a turbo manual ala sport classic that actually wont be some limited nonsense.

Don’t be intellectually lazy. We’re talking about new/upcoming cars; that was plainly obvious given the scope of this conversation. Bringing up old cars is the equivalent of me bringing up the E46. Both the new 992.2 GTS and base are PDK only. The new “S” and “T” are unknowns right now. The new Cayman/Boxster will be a full EV, so no manual option. I’ve already accounted for the GT3 variants, but obviously not everybody can afford a GT3 (…and the more expensive GT3 variants are way out of reach for the vast majority of people). Porsches new game is to move the manuals up-market and charge a premium for them.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Savoy2001

I agree totally. Which is why I’m buying one. A 23 m8 comp convertible. Brooklyn grey loaded with 900 miles. I can’t wait to get it. Won’t have it for a couple weeks yet.

Nice
I have a 2020 Coupe in Black on Brown ☺️
Make sure the one you are buying has full leather and B&W

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by mubarak

Which M8 ?.. coupe or grand coupe you members talk about ???

Both have fantastic looking but I personally prefer Coupe since its smaller, lighter and lower causing better handling .
Car is amazingly , surprisingly agile and well balanced. Fast, powerful, luxury and sport. All in one. Its actually 2 cars in one body. With all setting in comfort its a highway cruiser while in sport+ and Manula its a real monster ☺️

[Savoy2001]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Nice
I have a 2020 Coupe in Black on Brown ☺️
Make sure the one you are buying has full leather and B&W

It does and i wouldn’t buy one any other way. 🙂

[Savoy2001]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Both have fantastic looking but I personally prefer Coupe since its smaller, lighter and lower causing better handling .
Car is amazingly , surprisingly agile and well balanced. Fast, powerful, luxury and sport. All in one. Its actually 2 cars in one body. With all setting in cimfort its a highway cruiser while in sport+ and Manula its a real monster ☺️

I agree. It really is the perfect gt sport luxury car.

[adge7]

Haven’t ready any together reply. But.

Too soon.