[M5ddox]

Originally Posted by Hassan1490

This M5 is no longer luxurious, nor powerful. Even the crappy Tesla Model 3 is quicker

Don’t bring Tesla into this. No thank you bro. Gtfo

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

This is probably a dumb question, but I was under the assumption hybrid cars do not need their batteries recharged; they auto-recharge.

It looks like the M5 will need the electric battery to be charged. Does that mean you have to take it to the gas station and then to the electric station?

No. You gas it as normal but plug it in whenever possible i.e. At home, at the office, at a the Mall etc.

There are several advantages to this:

1. You can leave & arrive at places silently
2. You can perform most daily commuting without heat cycling the V8 or using petrol
3. You have heaps of instant torque when driving hard.
4. If the battery is charged prior to starting a journey and you set your destination in the vehicle navigation system (and not WAZE) it triggers ‘Anticipation mode’: The vehicle uses available data (map etc) to figure out where the EV element can reduce burden on the ICE to reduce gas consumption along the journey to maximise journey efficiency.

This might seem unnecessary in the U.S but to those of us suffering punitive taxes & $10 gallons at the pumps, it’s brilliant.


5. The range shown on the dashboard is not equivalent to the total available battery energy: The vehicle holds a minimum charge to boost the ICE at any time so full power is available at any time.


It also has a facility to use the ICE to recharge the battery should you wish to keep the battery above a certain level after a long drive e.g. you want the car to be perfectly silent when you arrive to your home late -keep a bit of range tin the battery, switch to Electric as you newr home and the V8 goes to sleep and you silently park.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by 1dopem5

I see a lot of people have their opinions which is fine. We all are worried about the weight, and 0-60 times etc. Not everyone is doing launches every now and then, how fast are you going on these roads? Be realistic, atleast it doesnt have a 4 cyl engine like a Mercedes. We all know the weight is coming from the battery, and the multi link rear suspension which a lot of people dont know. BMW went Hybrid and we all have to live with it. Stop whining about it.

I agree. People are being ridiculous:

1. I bet the 3.5s is closer to 3 or even better when it’s eventually tested
2. I drive a 545e and PHEV is phenomenal tech. People are going to be very, pleasantly, surprised.
3. Absolutely, who is buying a new G90 to launch it to death and destroy their tyres? If that’s your goal: Buy an M2.
4. The ‘Paris Accord’, the Climate debate… rightly or wrongly… the powers that be have decided the World needs to emit less CO2. BMW have to toe the line too.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by moriluvatar

I’m really struggling to understand this car. Who is this for? The weight means it’s not for the track. The options leave a lot to be desired for the canyon. And there are few comforts to make it a daily.

Really I’m asking… who do they imagine this is for?

For Europeans like me getting murdered by vehicle & petrol taxation.

Last M5 was priced to death due to CO2 emissions… this one is $70,000 less in some Euro markets due to PHEV system. Americans buying $4 gallons probably won’t get this.

However, the global powers have decided that CO2 is causing undesirable heating of Earth and big manufacturers have to curb their emissions to be allowed to manufacture & sell products. The new M5 is attempting to keep everyone happy.

As a current driver of a BMW PHEV married to the B58 engine (545e), I think people will love this car.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by Singletrack

This car sucks.

I knew it would be a fat pig, but thought it would have a better power to weight than f90 and f10.

Likewise the inability to recharge batteries off engine or braking makes it a stupid gimmick.

RIP BMW

Sad days.

Where is it written that the car lacks regenerative braking or battery maintenance off ICE?

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

got it, thank you.

So the idea is that you can plug it in to cover daily driving and not spend any fuel? (assuming that you are not pushing the car of course)

Yep. That’s it.
And this is key. It really matters in markets where fuel is really expensive.
You get to use it efficiently on the daily drive but have the power when you want to have fun.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by Trancez0r

Is it known if this hybrid setup is really plug-in only? Example - you're blasting this thing on the Autobahn with some spirited driving, going vmax and all. The battery pack goes empty (pretty quick I guess) - then what, are you really stuck with 585hp and 500+ additional KGs until you stop and plug in to charge?

No. Not at all.

The battery retains a buffer of energy after it has stopped powering the wheels for normal driving. In other words: when the range needle is at zero, there’s still power in the battery.

The ICE keeps it that way and keeps a minimum charge in it indefinitely.

Whenever the driver calls for WOT, the full stated vehicle horsepower is available.

So, no drops at all. All the power, all the time.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by Trancez0r

That is reassuring to hear. I'd still like to see how sustained high speeds on the Autobahn will affect the battery charge and ultimately the available total HP with the M5. I've read that using Sport and Sport Plus modes forces the ICE engine to keep feeding the electric one so you're constantly at max HP but curious to see this in action over longer drives with high speeds.

Then I guess econtrol mode can be used to faster charge the electric one as you drive for those Autobahn stretches where you can't do sustained high speeds.

I have a BMW 545e.

It works as advertised.

And the power is phenomenal …even with a weaker EV element and a smaller, B58 ICE.

I think this will be a great machine.

[hsm102]

How long does it usually take for the US configurator to open after UK opens?

[TXSTYLE]

My build: 😎

https://configure.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/configid/fjy6dmi1

[moriluvatar]

Originally Posted by EUPremier

For Europeans like me getting murdered by vehicle & petrol taxation.

Last M5 was priced to death due to CO2 emissions… this one is $70,000 less in some Euro markets due to PHEV system. Americans buying $4 gallons probably won’t get this.

However, the global powers have decided that CO2 is causing undesirable heating of Earth and big manufacturers have to curb their emissions to be allowed to manufacture & sell products. The new M5 is attempting to keep everyone happy.

As a current driver of a BMW PHEV married to the B58 engine (545e), I think people will love this car.

Thanks for getting back to me. I can see your perspective. We can leave the environment debate on battery impact vs co2 impact somewhere else, but it makes sense to me that you’d have significant personal economic upside to a PHEV.

Also, if I can be cute for a moment, thanks for using freedom units for the fuel economy measure above. Saves me from having to ask chatGPT to translate.

[Stokkes]

So I don't see it on the BMW UK site, nor the order guide my SM sent me today (in Canada) for the Highway Assistant option (that the i5 has).

Is this really not an option on this car? Why the heck would they leave that out.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by moriluvatar

Thanks for getting back to me. I can see your perspective. We can leave the environment debate on battery impact vs co2 impact somewhere else, but it makes sense to me that you’d have significant personal economic upside to a PHEV.

Also, if I can be cute for a moment, thanks for using freedom units for the fuel economy measure above. Saves me from having to ask chatGPT to translate.

Ah, 100% man. We all love cars here.

I agree with you on EV batteries… strip-mining in Chile or having child-labour dig Cobalt in awful conditions in Africa… huge issues.

I too am unsure whether CO2 is the villain it’s made out to be or whether global heating is a cyclical thing like the Ice Age was.

The facts are, I don’t know. But I do know this:

1. I dislike pollution and I do my bit to leave little or no impact on my environment

2. I cannot change EU laws.

***
The PHEV uses less battery than a full EV. It therefore pollutes less.
It also allows me to use clean electricity (wind / solar generated) to recharge the battery and bring the kids to school without any gas being consumed -less pollution.

As you say, the G90 offers huge personal upside for buyers like me in enabling us to buy due to the laws that would otherwise prevent it.


Lastly, I think folk will be pleasantly surprised by this. The electric portion of this car is great. I know as I already drive a 545e.

✌🏻

[greentrbo95gst]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

How are you old friend??

Let me know when you are in the area.

[BimmerBahn]

I'm ordering a G99 Touring.... but since that one isn't in the visualizer, yet.

Interlagos Blue over Red/Black -- a great color for the M5
Daytona Violet over Black/Silverstone -- always wanted a car in Daytona Violet
Imola Red over Red/Black -- my E39 M5 was Imola over Red/Black sport interior
Sanremo Green over Red/Black. -- my current i4 M50 is Sanremo over Red.... it's a great color, especially in the sun.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by BimmerBahn

I'm ordering a G99 Touring.... but since that one isn't in the visualizer, yet.

Interlagos Blue over Red/Black -- a great color for the M5
Daytona Violet over Black/Silverstone -- always wanted a car in Daytona Violet
Imola Red over Red/Black -- my E39 M5 was Imola over Red/Black sport interior
Sanremo Green over Red/Black. -- my current i4 M50 is Sanremo over Red.... it's a great color, especially in the sun.

I'd go with DAYTONA VIOLET for certain out of these!
Amazing and unique and exotic color. However, I would not do all black interior. Too bland.

[DHDCF]

Originally Posted by hsm102

How long does it usually take for the US configurator to open after UK opens?

Now that the US price guide is available I'd think soon. And they are better than I was expecting.

[M5ddox]

Originally Posted by Erebor

Just click on the "Configure your G80 M3" button.

lol so good