[shoe3k]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

So far I’ve heard some rumors that the G90 M5 has been severely under-rated by BMW M and that some have already achieved 0-60 times of 2.6s stock. I also heard other things that the car handles very well for its weight but the weight is undeniably there.

My i5 M60 also handles well for its weight, the rear wheel steering contributes greatly to its agility, but I can definitely feel its 5,200lbs, although the car is nicely balanced with its near as makes no difference 50/50 weight distribution. I don’t know what the weight distribution of the G90 is but the 540ix is 55/45 and is noticeable when driving it.

On the street I’m betting the G90 will be a beast, but on the track, you just can’t fight Newtons laws of physics.

And the lack of a center console shifter really bothers me on the G90. On the i5 M60 it’s acceptable because you know you are driving a BEV, the M5 is supposed to be a true sports sedan with real engagement.

Car and Driver issue showed 0-60 @ 2.5s and a 1/4 mile at 10.8. No trap speed shown for quarter mile though.

[hb]

Test drives start next week. But we won't see any reviews out for a few more weeks. If you have any questions or requests regarding the review of both cars, let me know. Will have a chance to push them in Germany. No track.

[StitChES37]

Originally Posted by shoe3k

Car and Driver issue showed 0-60 @ 2.5s and a 1/4 mile at 10.8. No trap speed shown for quarter mile though.

Can you post a link to that? I'd love to read more, and although I looked I couldn't find that.

[crypto]

Originally Posted by StitChES37

Can you post a link to that? I'd love to read more, and although I looked I couldn't find that.

It’s in this write up but it’s just a made up number AFAIK:

https://www.caranddriver.com/bmw/m5


Article says.. BMW says it will do 0-60 in 3.4 — we think it’ll be more like 3.0. Then they put 2.6 (estimated) in their little infographic summary at the end lol. Who knows! We should find out for real soon enough…

[hb]

I'm going to extend this opportunity again: if you have some things you want me to test with the M5, please let me know. I'll drive both cars next week. The focus is more on the driving experience and it will be on public roads, not track.

Or if you have any questions for the engineering team, I will try to get them answered, aside from whatever it was answered already.

[Salespunk]

I had the F10 and the F90 and neither of those was a track car. IMO, even the G80 M3 (also owned one) isn't a track car, they are all simply too heavy now with the required safety and comfort features that the market demands.

The M5 has always been about covering ground quickly and not some random track number. If you want a transcontinental ballistic missile the M5 is your machine. It is also the one of the best vehicles if you need a quiet car to take calls on the way to the office daily and then still have fun on a few backroads whenever the mood strikes.

If you want a canyon car go buy an older 911, an E46 or a Civic Type R (yes I am serious about the Type R). Any of these will put most modern BMW's to shame for driver engagement and fun, but none of them would be a replacement as a daily/family machine.

[Crazy1323]

Originally Posted by hb

I'm going to extend this opportunity again: if you have some things you want me to test with the M5, please let me know. I'll drive both cars next week. The focus is more on the driving experience and it will be on public roads, not track.

Or if you have any questions for the engineering team, I will try to get them answered, aside from whatever it was answered already.

How is the ride? I am looking for something that is comfortable for daily driving.

Also, can you ask the engineering team if there is any meaningful weight difference with the different wheel options. I like the 952, but want to make sure they aren’t something crazy like 10 pounds per wheel heavier.

Lastly, how will the break-in period for the engine work? I plan on using EV almost all the time. How will you know when the electric motor is broken in since it isn’t on mileage.

Thanks!

[crypto]

Originally Posted by hb

I'm going to extend this opportunity again: if you have some things you want me to test with the M5, please let me know. I'll drive both cars next week. The focus is more on the driving experience and it will be on public roads, not track.

Or if you have any questions for the engineering team, I will try to get them answered, aside from whatever it was answered already.

Hey awesome thanks! Will you be allowed to or in a space where you can test 0-60mph/0-100kmh and the other times people typicall benchmark with in terms of straight line acceleration?

[hb]

Originally Posted by crypto

Hey awesome thanks! Will you be allowed to or in a space where you can test 0-60mph/0-100kmh and the other times people typicall benchmark with in terms of straight line acceleration?

Always a tough one. I always have to find a good road, no traffic and no elevations. So I will try.

[Salespunk]

Originally Posted by hb

I'm going to extend this opportunity again: if you have some things you want me to test with the M5, please let me know. I'll drive both cars next week. The focus is more on the driving experience and it will be on public roads, not track.

Or if you have any questions for the engineering team, I will try to get them answered, aside from whatever it was answered already.

Any comparisons you can make to the F90 relative to handling would be awesome. I am sure straight line performance will be ridiculous so that concerns me less.

I would also like to hear feedback on the EV only mode. Is it enough for standard daily driving around town? Don't care about stoplight drag racing numbers, just can you comfortably get around with it.

Finally, did they maintain materials quality or are there budget considerations where you feel them in the car?

[crypto]

Originally Posted by hb

Always a tough one. I always have to find a good road, no traffic and no elevations. So I will try.

Oh man that would be awesome — with launch control of course! Although if the car isn’t at 1200 miles or so.. maybe not. 🤷

Definitely use a Dragy and if you can post online you’d probably get tens of thousands if not more views if you have a YouTube channel. If not I think we’d all be glad to take the numbers on the forum. Def scout out a road that’s relatively flat and isolated. Even if it’s not perfectly flat and slopes — it’d still be nice to get some rough numbers!

[hb]

Originally Posted by crypto

Oh man that would be awesome — with launch control of course! Although if the car isn’t at 1200 miles or so.. maybe not. 🤷

Definitely use a Dragy and if you can post online you’d probably get tens of thousands if not more views if you have a YouTube channel. If not I think we’d all be glad to take the numbers on the forum. Def scout out a road that’s relatively flat and isolated. Even if it’s not perfectly flat and slopes — it’d still be nice to get some rough numbers!

I already did a 0-60mph run in the prototype M5 drive. It's on our Youtube channel.

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by hb

I'm going to extend this opportunity again: if you have some things you want me to test with the M5, please let me know. I'll drive both cars next week. The focus is more on the driving experience and it will be on public roads, not track.

Or if you have any questions for the engineering team, I will try to get them answered, aside from whatever it was answered already.

Please let us know how it handles, at speeds, curvy roads. Obviously at posted road speeds, and please note if weight seems to be an issue. I had an XM, and was pretty pleased with the handling on that 6,000lb monster. If you’ve driven both (I had an XM base) how do you feel it differs? I am hoping the M5 is far more sporty. Thanks in advance.

[crypto]

Originally Posted by hb

I already did a 0-60mph run in the prototype M5 drive. It's on our Youtube channel.

What’s the channel? Also was that with launch control and was it with a Dragy or similar? I have vague recollections of someone doing a 0-60 but either timing it with phone or the car’s built in timer or something that’s not as accurate as a separate timing device.

[StitChES37]

Originally Posted by hb

I'm going to extend this opportunity again: if you have some things you want me to test with the M5, please let me know. I'll drive both cars next week. The focus is more on the driving experience and it will be on public roads, not track.

Or if you have any questions for the engineering team, I will try to get them answered, aside from whatever it was answered already.

In addition to the questions others have asked on comfort, acceleration, build quality, etc... Do you have a way to measure cabin noise at highway speeds?

Many thanks, and have fun!!

[hb]

Originally Posted by crypto

What’s the channel? Also was that with launch control and was it with a Dragy or similar? I have vague recollections of someone doing a 0-60 but either timing it with phone or the car’s built in timer or something that’s not as accurate as a separate timing device.

It was not a timed one. Just GoPro footage. Will use a Racebox device.

[hb]

Originally Posted by StitChES37

In addition to the questions others have asked on comfort, acceleration, build quality, etc... Do you have a way to measure cabin noise at highway speeds?

Many thanks, and have fun!!

I talked about the build quality in the previous video, so not sure I will spend more time on this. I would probably focus mostly on driving to maximize the time allocated.

No device. I used to use an iPhone app for that, but might have to look for an actual noise device. Need to find one

[Blue Sky]

Please focus on the traditional M car values, which is handling, driver feedback, balance of the dynamic dimensions (thrust, braking, cornering), where ou feel like braking is sufficient to deal with the acceleration, and handling is similarly not overwhelmed. Remember the early M3’s and their balance and driver engagement. Don’t bother with noting silly crap like the noise it produces, since turbo V8’s are muffled and it is supposed to be a 5 series anyway, not a ridiculous burping/farting thing like today’s smaller M cars.

How does the weight work out? With this much weight, real world roads can make the car heave around, possibly even pulling the car up and off the road with resulting decrease or loss of contact, reducing traction and steering ability. Does the car ever feel unplanted on rough, non-German imperfect roadways?

The G60 5’s with basically the same body are noted to have pretty dead steering feel. Does the G90 have some/any? How much? What did you feel?

The car is an automatic, right, not a DCT? Seemed like on those press drives around the (flat and level) track there was obvious lag on the paddle shifts compared to DCT. Is it laggy?

[glapira]

Thanks for the offer!

I am very interested, having ordered one, to know a bit more about the new technology and how does it blend with the M dna.

How does it drive while in hybrid, in full electric, is it realistically usable.

What are the main settings to maxisimise the electric motor outside of the track, and is it always available or only in certain modes etc.

Then of course, whats the ride like…

And the sound!

Thanks!

[thaalrasha]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

So far I’ve heard some rumors that the G90 M5 has been severely under-rated by BMW M and that some have already achieved 0-60 times of 2.6s stock. I also heard other things that the car handles very well for its weight but the weight is undeniably there.

My i5 M60 also handles well for its weight, the rear wheel steering contributes greatly to its agility, but I can definitely feel its 5,200lbs, although the car is nicely balanced with its near as makes no difference 50/50 weight distribution. I don’t know what the weight distribution of the G90 is but the 540ix is 55/45 and is noticeable when driving it.

On the street I’m betting the G90 will be a beast, but on the track, you just can’t fight Newtons laws of physics.

And the lack of a center console shifter really bothers me on the G90. On the i5 M60 it’s acceptable because you know you are driving a BEV, the M5 is supposed to be a true sports sedan with real engagement.

I test drove the i5M60 and was extremely underwhelmed by the huge body roll, even in stiff mode and overall handling... after driving a Tycan with similar weight i really expect more from that... That being said, joe achilles mentioned it's nothing like the I5 ... so i'm gambling and pulled the trigger since it's a much cheaper car than my G81 where I live because of C02 regulations making a heavy V8 more affordable ! Yes green party logic...

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by thaalrasha

I test drove the i5M60 and was extremely underwhelmed by the huge body roll, even in stiff mode and overall handling... after driving a Tycan with similar weight i really expect more from that... That being said, joe achilles mentioned it's nothing like the I5 ... so i'm gambling and pulled the trigger since it's a much cheaper car than my G81 where I live because of C02 regulations making a heavy V8 more affordable ! Yes green party logic...

Completely agree on the body roll. It’s horrendous!! But on the other hand it’s got a super comfortable ride quality when driving over rough roads and is not a stiff ride at all. It’s a compromise. I wanted the M60 specifically because it comes with ARS and Adaptive Suspension as standard and Air Suspension on the rear. I wanted something that floats like a cloud, and the i5 M60 just does that.

I dont intend on driving the M60 like an ///M car so it’s all good. I still have my F10 M5 for that and my G20 only weighs 3,500lbs so I get my fill of spirited driving from those cars.

[thaalrasha]

Indeed... the i5 M60 marketing name is misleading. Once you see throught that it's fine, it has no intention of sportiness and is just a faster i5 model...