[Mrproper86]

Honestly, it weighs more then a ford f150. A hellcat is even lighter and makes the same power without the batterys. This car maintenance will be ridiculous and all The bushings and suspension probably will fail quickly. 0-60 time is good for the weight. My stock g80 runs 3.1 stock. The 100-200 times are quick but how many pulls will it sustain without the batterys going empty?The c63 amg is prime example of this issue.

[Nisimo67]

I think, rolling acceleration on hybrid cars really cannot be compared to gas cars. Hybrids really need to habe perfect conditions, I wonder what the G90 would do on a dragstrip 1/4mile. GT63se is a prime example: Sometimes 2.7s 0-100 sometimes 3.2s it really depends.

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by EUPremier

Totally believable. 0-100km/h is hugely dependent on road surface & tyre conditions etc.
Rolling pulls are less so.
My point is that wide variation in standing start acceleration is to be expected so the difference in AutoTop NL’s results in terms of standing start is not a reliable metric to judge the other result.
Also, Joe Achilles got 3.1 0-60.

As a side-note, I suspect you haven’t driven a powerful BMW PHEV. The mid-range is brutal and strong performance in-gear is not remotely surprising for the G90 to those of us who know what other PHEVs are like.

I have a 50e engine car in the family.
Its strong.

But I am talking about 100-200 not 0-100.

And from AutotopNL and others, the measured performance figures are the same as the F90 M5C which is pretty good.

[EUPremier]

Come on… the G90 does not need to compete with the F90 CS in order to be compelling.
This car has eliminated fuel costs and massive taxes for European buyers.
If it’s anywhere near CS, this is an enormous win.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

I have a 50e engine car in the family.
Its strong.

But I am talking about 100-200 not 0-100.

And from AutotopNL and others, the measured performance figures are the same as the F90 M5C which is pretty good.

Sorry, manic day entertaining kids in Legoland, London. Was reading in a taxi and got wrong end of stick.

Cars loosen out a little… lots of the journo cars are brand new… maybe this one has loosened a bit?

In any event, I’m delighted with the results. Thing looks like a rocket. And, to you with a 50e engine… you know what zi mean… that’s an undertuned B58 you’re rockin’ there… in G90 the S68 + an ‘M’ PHEV setup. No part of me is surprised its fast.

US & UK car enthusiasts are spoiled with low automotive taxes and, in the case of the former, low fuel costs too. We get hammered in Ireland. My G90 is being delivered on Jan 3 and I can’t wait.

My third M5. My first new M5.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by Mrproper86

Honestly, it weighs more then a ford f150. A hellcat is even lighter and makes the same power without the batterys. This car maintenance will be ridiculous and all The bushings and suspension probably will fail quickly. 0-60 time is good for the weight. My stock g80 runs 3.1 stock. The 100-200 times are quick but how many pulls will it sustain without the batterys going empty?The c63 amg is prime example of this issue.

I have out 60,000km on a 545e and have used it real World and had infinite ‘pulls’ 100 to xxx (Big Brother is watching) the vehicle does not fade with a flat battery.

The usable EV driving range is not indicative of total battery availability.

If the batt is empty for range it’ll still give assist to the ICE when WOT is demanded.

As soon as that demand ceases the ICE recharges the battery to make power available for the next ‘pull’.

In the real World, you’ll never experience a loss of total power availability.

Maybe, if you spend a whole day at a track just doing 100 to 200km.

[fubigem]

Originally Posted by EUPremier

As a side-note, I suspect you haven’t driven a powerful BMW PHEV. The mid-range is brutal and strong performance in-gear is not remotely surprising for the G90 to those of us who know what other PHEVs are like.

That’s soo cool that you’ve driven an XM. I’d try to humble-brag about it too

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by fubigem

That’s soo cool that you’ve driven an XM. I’d try to humble-brag about it too

I have never driven an XM.

My point was clear.

No need to be snarky about it.

[hb]

Originally Posted by EUPremier

Totally believable. 0-100km/h is hugely dependent on road surface & tyre conditions etc.
Rolling pulls are less so.
My point is that wide variation in standing start acceleration is to be expected so the difference in AutoTop NL’s results in terms of standing start is not a reliable metric to judge the other result.
Also, Joe Achilles got 3.1 0-60.

As a side-note, I suspect you haven’t driven a powerful BMW PHEV. The mid-range is brutal and strong performance in-gear is not remotely surprising for the G90 to those of us who know what other PHEVs are like.

Joe used a 1 foot roll out measurement. Hence the big delta

[ssabripo]

Originally Posted by Remigijus

So why then, does NASA use the metric system for their projects?

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Other thing to consider is the Electric side isnt putting out much power during the first few gears.. which would lead me to believe there is room for improvement on the 0-60.. once it gets moving is when the electric side is dumping power and backing off as it revs out.

Additionally the launch rpm isn't that high either considering other cars.

Anyone know if the launch rpm is adjustable?

There is additional power to be had out of the V8, let alone how the EV side dumps power.

You would think the system would allow lots of electric boost down low, or from a dig, where torque assist is most plentiful.

[ledphut]

They’re sandbagging with this neutered version so they can release a CS or Label version next year with 800HP and sub-3 second 0-60.

[gblansten]

Those acceleration numbers are decent.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Remigijus

So why then, does NASA use the metric system for their projects?

Because they’re retarded

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

You would think the system would allow lots of electric boost down low, or from a dig, where torque assist is most plentiful.

Maybe grip, transmission reliability or specific tuning for the base m5 leaving room for a comp or cs


All the cars that are using this zf tranny and ev power unit are all limited to 738lbs of torque...


So I'm betting the tranny is the limiting factor.

[Maverik259]

BMW electrics is a nightmare. Everytime I come in for service I get nothing but horror stories down my SA as to the random things that fail in these bmw electric cars and they have no idea how to fix them so they just sit in the bay until bmw NA can figure it out and send a rep to fix.

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by EUPremier

Sorry, manic day entertaining kids in Legoland, London. Was reading in a taxi and got wrong end of stick.

Cars loosen out a little… lots of the journo cars are brand new… maybe this one has loosened a bit?

In any event, I’m delighted with the results. Thing looks like a rocket. And, to you with a 50e engine… you know what zi mean… that’s an undertuned B58 you’re rockin’ there… in G90 the S68 + an ‘M’ PHEV setup. No part of me is surprised its fast.

US & UK car enthusiasts are spoiled with low automotive taxes and, in the case of the former, low fuel costs too. We get hammered in Ireland. My G90 is being delivered on Jan 3 and I can’t wait.

My third M5. My first new M5.

Its performance numbers are pretty much on par with what I expected. About as quick as the F90. Which is darn great, as it feels its about to take off half of the time.

The Hybrid system in the Bimmas is alright. I have owned a 330e as well. It works well and there is few to no situations where there is a "performance drop"

I don't know about the rest of the aspects of driving, but I was sure it was going to be pretty quick.

[supershaft]

Originally Posted by EUPremier

Sorry, manic day entertaining kids in Legoland, London. Was reading in a taxi and got wrong end of stick.

Cars loosen out a little… lots of the journo cars are brand new… maybe this one has loosened a bit?

In any event, I’m delighted with the results. Thing looks like a rocket. And, to you with a 50e engine… you know what zi mean… that’s an undertuned B58 you’re rockin’ there… in G90 the S68 + an ‘M’ PHEV setup. No part of me is surprised its fast.

US & UK car enthusiasts are spoiled with low automotive taxes and, in the case of the former, low fuel costs too. We get hammered in Ireland. My G90 is being delivered on Jan 3 and I can’t wait.

My third M5. My first new M5.

yea bmw unlocks 150hp after the first oil change. The creator of the video 2 days later still hasn't posted a full video or the racelogic graphs. calling this fake.

[Daaaadadundun]

People actually comparing a regular M5 with the former M5CS. Puts up almost the same numbers and still are not impressed.
Like to bitsj about the weight like they can afford one or if they can, will ever have big problems with the weight in your regular boring life. They act like they are Hamilton or Verstappen or something.

And you just know when the next M5 comes out they'll be comparing it to this generation and tell you how great this generation was.

[A_]

Originally Posted by Daaaadadundun

People actually comparing a regular M5 with the former M5CS. Puts up almost the same numbers and still are not impressed.
Like to bitsj about the weight like they can afford one or if they can, will ever have big problems with the weight in your regular boring life. They act like they are Hamilton or Verstappen or something.

And you just know when the next M5 comes out they'll be comparing it to this generation and tell you how great this generation was.

There has always been a gap between generations of the M5 in performance. This time there is no difference at all. M5 CS is master art

[Moewron]

Originally Posted by Daaaadadundun

People actually comparing a regular M5 with the former M5CS. Puts up almost the same numbers and still are not impressed.
Like to bitsj about the weight like they can afford one or if they can, will ever have big problems with the weight in your regular boring life. They act like they are Hamilton or Verstappen or something.

And you just know when the next M5 comes out, they'll be comparing it to this generation and tell you how great this generation was.

Yeah- it's baffling how many people feel a need to talk crap on every new BMW model that comes out. Until the next model comes out, that is... at which point the model BEFORE the current one was just amazing!

BMW is building cars to sell cars, and its clear that BMW's doing pretty well as a business. The fact of the matter is most of these salty people aren't the people BMW is building cars for. It's for that reason that I had to stop following the BMW subreddit... it was just a bunch of angry old men saying BMW has 'lost their way' while masturbating to pictures of E39s.

[UtahBimmerBoy]

Originally Posted by Maverik259

BMW electrics is a nightmare. Everytime I come in for service I get nothing but horror stories down my SA as to the random things that fail in these bmw electric cars and they have no idea how to fix them so they just sit in the bay until bmw NA can figure it out and send a rep to fix.

Can confirm, we currently have two i4’s with dropped batteries that have been sitting for weeks.