[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

The NA, RWD and stick factor is huge. Is there anything else? Like at ANY price, can you get a NA 450HP+ engine, with a stick and RWD in anything let alone a) a car that weighs less than 3500lbs and b) one that revs past 8 grand?

I don't think you can?

murcielago - old, heavy, poor dynamics, $$ to maintain.

F430 / Gallardo / R8 v10 -- old. these would probably the closest to a GT3 but their dynamics are far behind a 992, let alone a 991 carrera.

5th gen viper - great performance and light. the lack of rpm isn't a big deal since the powerband is huge. but its dodge build quality.

[clutchdj]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

The NA, RWD and stick factor is huge. Is there anything else? Like at ANY price, can you get a NA 450HP+ engine, with a stick and RWD in anything let alone a) a car that weighs less than 3500lbs and b) one that revs past 8 grand?

I don't think you can?

And from Germany

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

The NA, RWD and stick factor is huge. Is there anything else? Like at ANY price, can you get a NA 450HP+ engine, with a stick and RWD in anything let alone a) a car that weighs less than 3500lbs and b) one that revs past 8 grand?

I don't think you can?

Mustang GT. Weighs a bit more and I think they only rev to 7500ish stock. But you get SO MUCH POWER for the money. Want 800hp? Bolt on a Whipple kit for under $10k.

If you're not talking brand new there's a whole host of Corvettes that fit that bill. No backseat in those. Camaro does the same, but with worse everything. They don't rev nearly that high, in the 6000s, but they don't need to. Big , fat powerbands with torque everywhere. And they respond to bolt on mods really really well.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Mustang GT. Weighs a bit more and I think they only rev to 7500ish stock. But you get SO MUCH POWER for the money. Want 800hp? Bolt on a Whipple kit for under $10k.

If you're not talking brand new there's a whole host of Corvettes that fit that bill. No backseat in those. Camaro does the same, but with worse everything. They don't rev nearly that high, in the 6000s, but they don't need to. Big , fat powerbands with torque everywhere. And they respond to bolt on mods really really well.

But then you’d still have a Mustang or Camaro.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

But then you’d still have a Mustang or Camaro.

Yeah if you really want the Porsche guys to talk down to you, show up in a domestic, lol.

Some PCA events they won't even let you on track with them in a domestic (or any non Porsche) even if you own a Porsche.

[Alfisti]

I meant new so to me Mustang is out as it is just a million miles from a GT3 dynamics wise, not on the same planet. And I say that as someone who cross shopped a PP2 stang vs my 997 so I am a GT Mustang fan.

I think the answer is Corvette for the key ingredients of stick, RWD and 400+ HP. I forgot about the vette! TBh that's the nearest thing no?

It's a crying shame the 911 GTS went turbo charged in 2017, it was basically a better street car than a GT3 with the same ingredients of stick, rwd and screaming engine from 2011 to 2016.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Mustang GT. Weighs a bit more and I think they only rev to 7500ish stock. But you get SO MUCH POWER for the money. Want 800hp? Bolt on a Whipple kit for under $10k.

If you're not talking brand new there's a whole host of Corvettes that fit that bill. No backseat in those. Camaro does the same, but with worse everything. They don't rev nearly that high, in the 6000s, but they don't need to. Big , fat powerbands with torque everywhere. And they respond to bolt on mods really really well.

It doesn't weigh a bit more, it weighs a lot more...and somehow it weighs even more than a Camaro.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by RM7

It doesn't weigh a bit more, it weighs a lot more...and somehow it weighs even more than a Camaro.

A 23 911 S is 3650 lbs per the Google's. A 23 Mach 1 mustang is 3850. 200 lbs, not unsubstantial, not but crazy.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by RM7

It doesn't weigh a bit more, it weighs a lot more...and somehow it weighs even more than a Camaro.

Yeah it's over 4000lbs, the S550 PP2 is well sorted but the weight is the weight.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

I meant new so to me Mustang is out as it is just a million miles from a GT3 dynamics wise, not on the same planet. And I say that as someone who cross shopped a PP2 stang vs my 997 so I am a GT Mustang fan.

I think the answer is Corvette for the key ingredients of stick, RWD and 400+ HP. I forgot about the vette! TBh that's the nearest thing no?

It's a crying shame the 911 GTS went turbo charged in 2017, it was basically a better street car than a GT3 with the same ingredients of stick, rwd and screaming engine from 2011 to 2016.

I was bummed about the 3.0t at first, but they make an AMAZING amount of power with minor mods. It's just so much more power. No, it doesn't scream and rev high to make power, but it makes more power all over the damn place. A 991.2 Carrera 4 with a tune, let alone upgrade dturbos and a tune, is in the same realm as a 991 Turbo performance wise. Maybe better.

Corvettes have been wiping the floor with 911s just about since they came out. They're a bit harder to handle typically because more power and a lightweight rear end, but that makes them fun.

You can't expect a $50k mustang to match the dynamics of a $250k GT3. You could buy a GT500 AND a 911 GTS for that much money.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Yeah it's over 4000lbs, the S550 PP2 is well sorted but the weight is the weight.

A dark horse is 3860 lbs. Not light, but still only 200lbs more than a much more expensive 911. I suspect the 992.2 is very similar.in weight now with its hybrid stuff.

At the end of the day, all of these cars are way heavy now. High strength steel and super stiff chassis will do that

[Alfisti]

Really? When i was cross shopping S550 cabs with 997 C2S cabs the weight difference was like 600 lbs.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Really? When i was cross shopping S550 cabs with 997 C2S cabs the weight difference was like 600 lbs.

The 997 is a lot smaller and lighter than the 991 and newer cars.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

A 23 911 S is 3650 lbs per the Google's. A 23 Mach 1 mustang is 3850. 200 lbs, not unsubstantial, not but crazy.

A 4S might weigh 3650lb. The RWD S is around 3450lbs so more like 400lbs lighter. A new 911 Turbo is around 3650lbs.

[Efthreeoh]

Aerial Atom. 1,400 pounds. 320 HP. A real track car.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

A 4S might weigh 3650lb. The RWD S is around 3450lbs so more like 400lbs lighter. A new 911 Turbo is around 3650lbs.

According to Google (not infallible) the 2wd S was 3650, and the 4wd cars were 3850.

This may be down to wet vs dry or something like that, or maybe it's just a google ai issue.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

I’ve literally never seen someone talk down to someone else about their car at any of these meets/C&C type events. Don’t know where you guys are hanging out. That only happens on the internet, like in this very thread.

I see people see the same things about Ferrari owners and yet all of them I’ve ever met or talked to are die-hard car guys that just made some money and moved up. You don’t have to be “rich” to finance a car when you’re making decent money. I’m nowhere close to rich, I just spend my money on cars instead of other things.

The people who don’t want to be associated with these “snob” Porsche and Ferrari crowds are either broke and jealous, don’t realize the great networking opportunities they’re missing out on, or both.

Amen. The peeps in our Ferrari group are all cool cats. I’m probably the brokest one in the group, it’s all good. Lots of ball breaking and good times when we meet up. No different than the other crowds I’ve been around. Car peeps are car peeps. Most are good people and are just enjoying the same things as everyone else. Are there assholes, abso-fucking-lutly. But that’s everywhere these days

[dgoldenz]

I just priced out a Carrera T and it came out to $173k, which is insane for a slightly upgraded base model. My heavily loaded 992.1 GTS had an MSRP of $180k, I'm sure that would be closer to $215k now for the same stuff. Ridiculous IMO.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Aerial Atom. 1,400 pounds. 320 HP. A real track car.

I'll take 2

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

I'll take 2

Get the pair, the Atom and the Nomad.

[eliphil]

Originally Posted by x622

I already have a 720s on 335 r888r's and a 750 coming. I'm good with not experiencing ownership with the DCT in the new corvettes.
I loved my c6 z06 with turbos, I hated my c7 z07 because it was impossible to keep cool (even with a 2650) and the chassis felt worse.

This thread was bad for me because now I'm looking at 991.2s....

Strange my 2019 Z06 has been great. Not the best handling but still fun to drive

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by eliphil

Strange my 2019 Z06 has been great. Not the best handling but still fun to drive

The first like 3 years of the C7 Z06 overheated like crazy on track.

The grip level of those cars is insane. They don't feel able but they would attack a corner harder than most cars that are "great handling" and would hang through a turn at way higher speeds.