[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by hb

I can tell you this: there is zero speculation in what I write So far, B58 is a strong contender, the project has just started so we will see which one ends up under the hood.

Unless you are working directly on the project, it absolutely is speculation. I can say the same thing...it's going to be a B58, S58, or an N55 lol Let's see which one makes it in!

[hb]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

Unless you are working directly on the project, it absolutely is speculation. I can say the same thing...it's going to be a B58, S58, or an N55 lol Let's see which one makes it in!

Fair point. So we will leave it at that. We'll find out after 2027 what was the final decision.

[m3number86]

My god. I’ll stick to old cars lol

[Saigonheat84]

As long BMW produce engine that has few to zero liability and easy to mod like the s58 then im getting inline

just don't offer the giant grill anymore.

[joshdub]

Could you imagine a 4300lb M3 that was an EV, awd, automatic only, and with a B series engine? What a time to be alive.

[Neusser]

Electrification is ghey.

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

Yes it will make g80 feel dated -not a “claim”, because you know, that’s always what happens, and also; G80 came out in 2021, the new one will come in 2027.

Dated or not, the hybrid will be a big boat M3.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by buckybadger

Dated or not, the hybrid will be a big boat M3.

I am trying to understand how "dated" is a negative here.

Cocooned in a cabin full of tech emitting monsterous levels of radition, surrounded by awkward screen UIs where convenient buttons once dominated, and dealing with 4,500 lbs in a hairpin corner while lugging a useless battery around.

"Progress" they claim.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Rux

"One of the biggest uncertainties surrounding the next-gen M3 is the engine choice. The current M3 is powered by the S58 twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter straight-six engine, but it has not yet been certified for the upcoming Euro 7 emissions standards, set to take effect in mid-2025. There is also the B58 3.0 liter which already has the 48 volt mild-hybrid integration, and it’s used, successfully, across various M Performance BMW models.

From a business standpoint, the B58 could make sense, as it’s widely used in models like the M240i, M340i, Z4 M40i, and Toyota Supra. A 48-volt mild-hybrid B58 would also be more cost-effective, but this decision could frustrate hardcore M enthusiasts. The last time BMW placed a non-M engine in an M car—the N55 in the F87 M2—it sparked considerable debate, despite the engine’s solid performance.

Choosing the B58 might make financial sense, but it could be seen as a step backward by purists. If BMW goes with the S58, they will need to ensure the engine is Euro 7-compliant, and luckily there is plenty of time to get the engine ready for a 2027-2028 M3 launch. Either way, BMW has a challenge on its hands as it balances emissions compliance with the expectations of M3 enthusiasts."
https://www.bmwblog.com/2024/10/11/n...ybrid-no-phev/

I hope you are right.

if it has a B engine it won't be called an M3

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by G30M

if it has a B engine it won't be called an M3

Why not? Same happened with the 1M and the first M2, except back then the B was called N...

[G30M]

Originally Posted by mbanck

Why not? Same happened with the 1M and the first M2, except back then the B was called N...

err ... bcos they weren't charging Porsche prices back then?

[NickyC]

As long as it's not a hideous looking vehicle, I'll certainly be looking into it. By that time, I'll likely have driven a F8x type car for like 12 years straight. I'm not really against electrification etc., I'm just against horrible looking cars.