[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by imc43

domagoj dukec, the head of BMW design, was fired. he moves to rolls royce.

we are getting polestar’s designer.

Yes, but he works under Adrian van Hooydonk, The head of BMW Goup Design

[hb]

Originally Posted by Remigijus

Sorry to inform you, but the Neue Klasse design is made by the same team. You’ll start seeing it in 2026 and for several years to come. Which looks great imo.

Edit for your edited post: Yes, Maximilian Missoni comes from Polestar as we know, and Oliver Heilmer from Mini department.

Btw M5 exterior design is made by Jose Casas, same as with M2.

You guys will see a glimpse of Neue Klasse design very soon, and one for the iDrive as well. Pretty sure most people will like what they will see, especially on the M side.

[hb]

Originally Posted by imc43

considering the new projects will no longer be headed by dokec,and due to the fact that they have brought in two people with very different design philosophy, this is not true.

while it will still be called neue klasse, dokec’s hand will be out of it, which will definitely lead to changes.

Incorrect. All BMW cars until 2030 are already done, including most facelifts. What you will see from Missoni and/or Heilmer will be only one-offs or concept cars. Past 2030 you will see their first products. Long way to go.

[hb]

Originally Posted by Remigijus

Yes, Jose was lead by Domagoj. Just want to tell, than no matter that BWM Group team is rearranged, Neue Klasse is done, approved and now in testing phase, test mules rolled out already. Design is of course will be different, but made by the exact same you hate so much.

Max from Polestar and others - don't expect influenced design by them any time soon. That's just not how it works.

Jose got promoted. He's the head of Exterior Design, Upper and Luxury Class.

[hb]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

That’s more accurate. Really just 1 new guy though. IMO this shuffling around was more a matter of routine rather than in reaction to any sentiment from the public. Hooydonk is still the design boss. Things are always changing and we’re already seeing that with the NK cars (which were designed years ago), so yes the design language will change. That would’ve happened whether we liked it or not.

This shuffling had to do mostly with the workload. It was impossible for one person, Dukec, to handle all BMW products. It's like a farm: new product, facelift, new product, facelift, new concepts, advanced design concepts, strategy etc...It's a lot for one person.

Additionally, this opens up a new game for who will be the next Head of BMW Group Design. So far, it was believed it would be either Dukec or Heilmer. Now they added Anders Warming and Max Missoni to the mix.

Adrian will eventually retire, but unlikely before 2027, and BMW doesn't like to bring someone from the outside usually. So this is a way also for him to test who is the best successor which I'm sure he will personally pick after consulting with the board also.

Lots of interesting things inside BMW, one day will write a short book When I retire.

[imc43]

Originally Posted by hb

Incorrect. All BMW cars until 2030 are already done, including most facelifts. What you will see from Missoni and/or Heilmer will be only one-offs or concept cars. Past 2030 you will see their first products. Long way to go.

long winded way of saying over time they will be shifting away from dukec, in a NEW DIRECTION. even if it takes a while.

I am correct in saying that they are shifting away from this horrid g90 type design. just over a longer timeframe.

[hufington]

BMW needs to find a new Claus Luthe. His E30 M3 made a generation's hearts skip a beat any time they saw the car.

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by imperfectluck

The G80/82 had the same debacle as everyone swore off the grill yet it’s still selling like hot bread and it’s volume compared to previous M3(and 4 I suppose), is looking to be higher throughout its lifespan.

BMW isn’t moving from this design language sorry to break it to you.

They will, Asian sales is drying up very fast, which was their great hope and outside Asia, almost nobody likes these big (illuminated) grills. Consequence, they will have to seduce their old fanbase again, the ones they massively alienated the last few years.

[Remigijus]

Originally Posted by imc43

long winded way of saying over time they will be shifting away from dukec, in a NEW DIRECTION. even if it takes a while.

I am correct in saying that they are shifting away from this horrid g90 type design. just over a longer timeframe.

So you still want to be correct by shifting statements. Oh yes, they will be shifting to new design language in 5 years or so. With Naue Klasse and what comes after.

And that horrid design language as you writing on - sales are much better than competitors. Well just not XM, it's just big marketing failure.

[ANDREW THOMAS]

It’s a nice car ✅

[imperfectluck]

Originally Posted by KoenG

They will, Asian sales is drying up very fast, which was their great hope and outside Asia, almost nobody likes these big (illuminated) grills. Consequence, they will have to seduce their old fanbase again, the ones they massively alienated the last few years.

I’m really hoping those last bits holds true because whether it be emissions / ambitious designs, I internally battle the next thing it the lineup I’d like to try. The old fanbase has felt like an after thought as their sales numbers as given them the results the company has wanted.

[Carlito_UK]

'ITS UGLY, I DONT LIKE IT, IT'S TOO HEAVY.....' they all say knowing they can't afford to buy this car. This guy bought it maybe tested it but drove it like he stole it and loves it. Until then show us your car or your reviews or let it go. Case closed.

[M5ddox]

Didnt mean for this post to evolve into a battle of BMW design language history etc haha…anyways…This review just released a few days ago, is really interesting as well and contradicts a lot of others views on it.

They race the F90 (base not cx) vs G90.

It’s faster (barely, and more in rolling), but the guys are very displeased with its handling. The comment of how it makes the F90 feel like an M3 by comparison to the G90 is very sad for me. I want the G90 to be good so bad. It’s gonna be hard to know until you get your hands on one.

[hb]

Originally Posted by imc43

long winded way of saying over time they will be shifting away from dukec, in a NEW DIRECTION. even if it takes a while.

I am correct in saying that they are shifting away from this horrid g90 type design. just over a longer timeframe.

What if Dukec comes back after Adrian retires to lead it all? We don't know what will happen. It's not like Dukec made the final decision on everything, so many levels of approval.

[M5ddox]

Originally Posted by KoenG

Throttle House nailed it for me, it's a splendid proposition and a technical marvel, but it's no longer delivering beyond expectation vehicle dynamics because of the weight. That it can drift was to be expected, no?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4Q_dlfQFyg

Oops didn’t realize you already posted this!

[thaalrasha]

It's interesting depending on who reviews it some say it's nothing like the i5 M60 while other say it's similar (I absolutely hated the i5M60 handling). I really hope it's different and that the M division tunned the chassis like a true M car... I guess i'll need to try myself to have my own opinion.

[Moewron]

Originally Posted by M5ddox

It’s faster (barely, and more in rolling), but the guys are very displeased with its handling.

This is the weird part- they are clearly not happy with the handling, but then there are many videos of people saying the body roll is minimal, and it handles really well.

[hb]

Originally Posted by thaalrasha

It's interesting depending on who reviews it some say it's nothing like the i5 M60 while other say it's similar (I absolutely hated the i5M60 handling). I really hope it's different and that the M division tunned the chassis like a true M car... I guess i'll need to try myself to have my own opinion.

It's nothing like the i5 M60 in terms of driving experience, completely different IMO.

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

Watching people drift an M5 from the interior POV kind of ruins most of the experience for me & waters it down. Although I'm happy to give this talented driver more click add revenue, I'm rather unimpressed with this video production as a whole. Show us some real drifts from the outside perspective next time mate...

[Racetune]

Originally Posted by M5ddox

Didnt mean for this post to evolve into a battle of BMW design language history etc haha…anyways…This review just released a few days ago, is really interesting as well and contradicts a lot of others views on it.

They race the F90 (base not cx) vs G90.

It’s faster (barely, and more in rolling), but the guys are very displeased with its handling. The comment of how it makes the F90 feel like an M3 by comparison to the G90 is very sad for me. I want the G90 to be good so bad. It’s gonna be hard to know until you get your hands on one.

I feel the same way. F90 M5 Comp is a magnificent sedan for the road and touring and it's faster than an 997 911 Turbo around the 'ring by nearly a second.

G90 M5 - time will tell how good it is - but there's a lot of things I hate about the new BMW line up - including the stupid wrap around screen in all of the new models.

I don't want to log-in to my car. I don't need gaming screen to play Warcraft either and bring back buttons and permanent layouts.

The "Teslafying" of interiors is frustrating to say the least and to me, it looks and feels cheap.

[MadScotsman]

Massive drivers seat or smol dude? (car looks great)

[ANDREW THOMAS]

I really do like this car for real