[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by brianeck

As long as they put 2 feet in either door. . . PHEV is not the best of either world. You wanna make a "lightweight" electric only car? Would be a blast in a Z4 platform for sure. Go ahead and dump it into the SUVs that are heavy anyway, as the battery weight will lower their center of gravity. Offer a FULL ICE and electric M3/M4 variant? That sounds amazing.

Please stop adding 1000 LBS to cars by trying to do both electric and ICE in the same vehicle, its ridiculous.

That is not why the car weighs more. All you need to do is look at the iX which is a BEV only platform. You want all the luxury in a BMW? It costs in weight.

An i4 has 1100lb or so battery pack.
Why does it weigh so much? Because it's protected and serviceable.

You want adaptive suspension? Weight.
You want a gauge cluster in your face? Weight

The i4 is also structurally rigid and to compare the build of a BMW to a Tesla is the ultimate in humor. There is a reason why lemforder has a full line of Tesla replacement suspension parts.

A TM3 weighs about 4000lbs
A TMY weighs about 4700lbs
A TMS wights about 4700lbs

The only relatively lightweight Tesla is a TM3.

You want lighter EVs? Battery developments in higher energy density is where we will see weight reduction.

[GrinchSpec]

So they will make an electric version for the G8X gen?

[q2w3e4r5t]

Originally Posted by JMD

You know, a little less than 100 years ago,...some Farmers never experience working his fields with Mules,...just as just over 100 years ago, some Farmers never experienced working their fields with a mechanical contraption called a Tractor!

One of my grandfathers was a farmer. When working in the field he would send the horse pulling a loaded cart and the German shepherd home. They'd get there just fine on their own (the horse could do this part without the dog), after unloading at the farm, they'd go back to the field (this needed the dog as the horse would not do it without the dog).

Had he had a tractor: he'd have to drive it back and forth himself or send one of the farm hands to do it for him. So my grandfather fought tooth and nail against getting a tractor. He saw drawbacks we've long forgotten about.

But self-driving farm equipment is on the agenda now once again as it is indeed really, really handy in some situations as my grandfather pointed out.

TL;DR: Sometimes some of us see something as progress, but others see what they'd lose. Both are right. It's only long after all of us moved on that we'll agree. And sometimes those things we lose in the process will be missed in the long run and come back in somewhat changed form.

[Tallest]

Originally Posted by Aalfred

Not really a comparison. M3P costs about half the price of the M3 and it caters to a different audience. Its like asking why the BMW 3 series is losing out to a Corolla. I dont think EV’s can be the sole car at this stage esp in the US where distances are long and charging infrastructure is not great. Almost all of us who own an EV prob have an ICE back up in their garages. Maybe in 5-10 yrs that might change. But trying to force everyone to adopt the EV will backfire and companies are now slowing down the transition and trying to offer hybrids and keep ICE going to make sure everyone gets what they want. Its one of the reason EV adoption has tanked a people are not confidant that an EV will work for them at the current time. The only reason the M5 has battery is to comply with the German govt regulations. How much it helps save pollution and the environment is out there. So in paper it complies with the mandate but really doesnt do much for the environment.

Actually wasnt the itention to flare up a fight of M3 vs Model3P. Its just after listening to Camisas review of the two, I kind of get it where he is coming from and how far back BMW is on certain points vs Model 3 that in the past it made it a clear winner. And today it isn't. the point of fake noise from speakers as a "plus" and Tesla being "silent" as a minus, or the driving dynamics as commented on by pros claiming Model 3 P is so much better than it used to be makes one think.

I dont have a horse in the race, if anything I was true to my criticism of BMW styling and where it has gone with quality, and sold them. I only have an analog-ish 911 today, and Im looking to buy an EV as a counter - but I do like G8x for the pure stupid muscle car that it is. But as a daily it doesnt work for me. So I dunno, remain on the fence for smth better for now.

[Aalfred]

Originally Posted by Tallest

Actually wasnt the itention to flare up a fight of M3 vs Model3P. Its just after listening to Camisas review of the two, I kind of get it where he is coming from and how far back BMW is on certain points vs Model 3 that in the past it made it a clear winner. And today it isn't. the point of fake noise from speakers as a "plus" and Tesla being "silent" as a minus, or the driving dynamics as commented on by pros claiming Model 3 P is so much better than it used to be makes one think.

I dont have a horse in the race, if anything I was true to my criticism of BMW styling and where it has gone with quality, and sold them. I only have an analog-ish 911 today, and Im looking to buy an EV as a counter - but I do like G8x for the pure stupid muscle car that it is. But as a daily it doesnt work for me. So I dunno, remain on the fence for smth better for now.

No worries. I think the M3 can be a good DD if you overlook certain quirks. Just took my M3 to work today and did about 50 miles so far in a combination of street and hwy. The car drives OK in slower traffic but is asking to be pushed which isnt good if the cops are around....lol. I think I got used the the revv hang and only drive in D1 on city streets and D2/D3 on the hwy which have higher revvs. Eventhough I just got the IX last month and have put about 1000 miles on it and it drives so well and is seamless when it picks up speed and drives like Im on a cloud. But I miss driving my M3 and dont know why, every time Im in one I cant wait to let it rip when I get a chance on open roads even though Im sure the IX can do the same but never felt the need to do it. So if you are still on the fence for a DD, take a test drive on a M3 and drive both city and hwy and you can see for yourself. But its only worth it if you wanna push it sometimes as its not meant to be reigned in for too long. Cheers !!!

[Drew10]

I heard talk about reinforcing subframes #NotGoingBack

[ASAP]

just a wild guess here -

bmw built a much heavier tesla model 3 performance with a slightly more advanced traction control system, better steering and diff software and is charging double... lol... tell you what... truly an innovative crowd there lol

[mbanck]

BMW M dropped a couple of camo pics of the upcoming BEV M3 on their Instagram account:

[nunzo]

ew

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by mbanck

BMW M dropped a couple of camo pics of the upcoming BEV M3 on their Instagram account: https://www.instagram.com/p/DDdEIoYIXML/?img_index=4&igsh=Mnc0dGltc3d2Y2J6

Is that a G body?

[r6tanz]

Originally Posted by mbanck

BMW M dropped a couple of camo pics of the upcoming BEV M3 on their Instagram account: https://www.instagram.com/p/DDdEIoYIXML/?img_index=4&igsh=Mnc0dGltc3d2Y2J6

I guess it’ll have to grow on us just how the G8X front grill did when it was released lol

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Is that a G body?

No, this is based on the upcoming Neue Klasse BEV 3er

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Is that a G body?

It's a Neue Klasse
The older test mule was a modded i4 (G26)

[JMD]

Originally Posted by q2w3e4r5t

One of my grandfathers was a farmer. When working in the field he would send the horse pulling a loaded cart and the German shepherd home. They'd get there just fine on their own (the horse could do this part without the dog), after unloading at the farm, they'd go back to the field (this needed the dog as the horse would not do it without the dog).

Had he had a tractor: he'd have to drive it back and forth himself or send one of the farm hands to do it for him. So my grandfather fought tooth and nail against getting a tractor. He saw drawbacks we've long forgotten about.

But self-driving farm equipment is on the agenda now once again as it is indeed really, really handy in some situations as my grandfather pointed out.

TL;DR: Sometimes some of us see something as progress, but others see what they'd lose. Both are right. It's only long after all of us moved on that we'll agree. And sometimes those things we lose in the process will be missed in the long run and come back in somewhat changed form.

I'm sure your grandfather was a really good farmer, but I seriously doubt your grandfather's team of horse out-worked a tractor,...something that never-ever gets tired!

[wesleyan92]

Will be super cool if a full EV M3 is actually released in 2027 or 2028.

Did you all see they named the mule "Nadine" - at 8:18 mark you can see it etched on the dash.

Maybe my next car when my M8 lease is up in 2027.