[thinker]

Just test drove the new M5 and connected with it right away. What should i consider before buying it as my daily driver …particularly in an area that gets some winter weather.

[masd79]

Originally Posted by thinker

Just test drove the new M5 and connected with it right away. What should i consider before buying it as my daily driver …particularly in an area that gets some winter weather.

No comparisons for this car, closest is the gt63se or s63 both approx $200k cars. Rs6 is ancient tech, and looks super dated now. New Panamera is nice but it doesn’t have the icon reputation of an m5, besides the drivers are non-enthusiasts. M5 is the best bang for the buck car. Only other car I think that feel I could own besides this was a taycan cross turismo 4S but then it’s a damn full EV!

[matowi]

Originally Posted by thinker

Just test drove the new M5 and connected with it right away. What should i consider before buying it as my daily driver …particularly in an area that gets some winter weather.

I would research if carbon ceramic brakes are a good idea. Some say, they aren’t suitable for cold conditions, which you would encounter on your daily commutes

[thinker]

Originally Posted by matowi

I would research if carbon ceramic brakes are a good idea. Some say, they aren’t suitable for cold conditions, which you would encounter on your daily commutes

I asked my dealer rep, who knows me well and whose advice was to skip them unless i was ever anticipating some serious track-like driving, I guess they can squeak a bit over time. i don’t expect i’ll need them…..I’m a highway, commute, roadtrip driver …who appreciates handling / acceleration…

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by matowi

I would research if carbon ceramic brakes are a good idea. Some say, they aren’t suitable for cold conditions, which you would encounter on your daily commutes

My two cent on this… whether ill-informed or not, I eschewed CCBs on my build due to:
Cost, [*]No interest in track’ing the car[*]I’ve heard they can be very squeaky[*]Driving style, I prefer to anticipate rather than stomp on brakes (I ran a Telematics Co supplying driver-behaviour monitors to Insurance Cos where harsh-braking was, actuarially, the most important metric for accident frequency)[*]Cost of replacements later. I always baulk at the cost of disc + pad replacement. CCBs must be a nightmare altogether.[/LIST]
Perhaps I’m wrong but I’m happy they’re optional rather than baked-into a vehicle costing €8k more for everyone.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by thinker

I asked my dealer rep, who knows me well and whose advice was to skip them unless i was ever anticipating some serious track-like driving, I guess they can squeak a bit over time. i don’t expect i’ll need them…..I’m a highway, commute, roadtrip driver …who appreciates handling / acceleration…

M5 sounds perfect for you.

[thinker]

Originally Posted by EUPremier

M5 sounds perfect for you.

I'm coming off 9 years of successive Tesla Model S's - and i's been really hard to find something else that can launch up to highway speeds off an on-ramp, sticks to the road, but can also hold people - and I've driven now too many cars in this space.

I was so impressed w/the M5 - I drove it up and down some highway miles - then faster than usual but without any effort at all on some curvy roads I know. Loved the seats. Turned off the fake sound adn it was surprisingly quiet. It was just a pleasure to be in the car. But, as soon as I hit the accelerator - I got my Tesla-ish acceleration with "real feel" torque and a whole new world of handling.

This has really shortened my list. I have a few questions in my head around other PHEVs that might be more "sedan like" and what the lead times on M5 delivery looks like.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by thinker

I'm coming off 9 years of successive Tesla Model S's - and i's been really hard to find something else that can launch up to highway speeds off an on-ramp, sticks to the road, but can also hold people - and I've driven now too many cars in this space.

I was so impressed w/the M5 - I drove it up and down some highway miles - then faster than usual but without any effort at all on some curvy roads I know. Loved the seats. Turned off the fake sound adn it was surprisingly quiet. It was just a pleasure to be in the car. But, as soon as I hit the accelerator - I got my Tesla-ish acceleration with "real feel" torque and a whole new world of handling.

This has really shortened my list. I have a few questions in my head around other PHEVs that might be more "sedan like" and what the lead times on M5 delivery looks like.

I’m coming out of a 545e.
It’s a great and seamless PHEV drivetrain. (AFAIK, BMW did some tech-sharing with Toyota as they started to add electrication many years ago. So, they expedited their development.)

Given your stated preferences for handling, blistering power blended with comfort (the design basis for M5)… I think only Panamera is a PHEV offering any real alternative.

The BMW M760e is there too of course but it won’t have the handling characteristics you liked in the M5.

[thinker]

Originally Posted by EUPremier

I’m coming out of a 545e.
It’s a great and seamless PHEV drivetrain. (AFAIK, BMW did some tech-sharing with Toyota as they started to add electrication many years ago. So, they expedited their development.)

Given your stated preferences for handling, blistering power blended with comfort (the design basis for M5)… I think only Panamera is a PHEV offering any real alternative.

The BMW M760e is there too of course but it won’t have the handling characteristics you liked in the M5.

That's wonderful about the 545e. I was all excited for the 550e and just tried it - but it wasn't for me. The EV-ICE cut-over was oddly hesitant. I have to believe that's something they'll fix or maybe it was because this car was literally one of the first models off the boat. I drove the M5 right afterward and it was game over. The MT was, of course, seamless.

Your list shows you're thinking like me. I tried the Panamera and, in theory, should love it - but it just wasn't for me. Oddly, the vibe isn't different enough from my Tesla, if that makes any sense. I do want to try the BMW 750e ( no 760e here, which is too bad ) - leans into the sedan side of things. If I like that too, it might form the alpha the M5 omega of my decision tree.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by thinker

That's wonderful about the 545e. I was all excited for the 550e and just tried it - but it wasn't for me. The EV -Engine cut-over was oddly hesitant. I have to believe that's something they'll fix or maybe becasue this was literally one of the first models off the boat - but I drove the M5 right after it - and that is, of course seamless.

Your list shows you're thinking like me. I should love the Panamera - and have driven it - but it just wasn't for me. Oddly, the vibe isn't different enough from my Tesla, if that makes any sense. I do want to try the BMW 750e ( no 760e here, which is too bad ) - leans into the sedan side of things, but might be the alpha-omega of my decision tree.

…meaning you’ll be left with only the M5?

As for the 550e, I’m surprised you noticed any hesitance and I wonder was the ICE cold?

It has a baked-in self protect to allow the ICE warm up before it offers full power.

I haven’t driven the 550e but it’s a very similar drivetrain to the 545e.

[thinker]

Originally Posted by EUPremier

…meaning you’ll be left with only the M5?

As for the 550e, I’m surprised you noticed any hesitance and I wonder was the ICE cold?

It has a baked-in self protect to allow the ICE warm up before it offers full power.

I haven’t driven the 550e but it’s a very similar drivetrain to the 545e.

I thought about that - it had been turned on before I got there. But, when I noticed the problem, I immediately went into sport mode for a while and we took an extra long drive - and it still didn't kick. I was pretty surprised. Left us hanging in slow-go hybrid for a count of 20+.

[EUPremier]

Originally Posted by thinker

I thought about that - it had been turned on before I got there. But, when I noticed the problem, I immediately went into sport mode for a while and we took an extra long drive - and it still didn't kick. I was pretty surprised. Left us hanging in slow-go hybrid for a count of 20+.

20secs? Ah no, that’s not right. At all.
Nor is 2secs. It’s could be equated to turbo lag. Any more than that is odd.

[thinker]

Originally Posted by EUPremier

20secs? Ah no, that’s not right. At all.
Nor is 2secs. It’s could be equated to turbo lag. Any more than that is odd.

It was super strange. But it made the subsequent M5 test drive all the more fun. That was great. I was really surprised how comfortable and easy a car it is to drive - despite all that power/torque. Also, another shock, how quiet it was - once I disabled in the internal sound.

[j3o3t3]

I daily my F90 , have a 911 for the weekend - M5 for me is a great every day car. Fast, comfortable , makes me feel good between home and wherever .

I drive now 9-10K Miles per year , in prior yrs, a lot more - an M5 May not be suitable for lot of annual miles

When my lease is up , will lease a new G90 gladly .

[thinker]

Originally Posted by j3o3t3

I daily my F90 , have a 911 for the weekend - M5 for me is a great every day car. Fast, comfortable , makes me feel good between home and wherever .

I drive now 9-10K Miles per year , in prior yrs, a lot more - an M5 May not be suitable for lot of annual miles

When my lease is up , will lease a new G90 gladly .

I drive 22-25k per year like clockwork….mostly highway…why would that be an issue? comfort?

[thaalrasha]

Originally Posted by thinker

I drive 22-25k per year like clockwork….mostly highway…why would that be an issue? comfort?

That car is literally made for being a comfortable highway cruiser.

[thinker]

anyone have any advice on purchasing an M5, but living with it on different tires. I can’t imagine driving on anything other than all seasons for most of the year. Snows in the winter aren’t required, but might be a good idea. Would you ever put run flats on it? I think there’s some issue with availability for the car at the moment for certain tires.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by thinker

anyone have any advice on purchasing an M5, but living with it on different tires. I can’t imagine driving on anything other than all seasons for most of the year. Snows in the winter aren’t required, but might be a good idea. Would you ever put run flats on it? I think there’s some issue with availability for the car at the moment for certain tires.

Can not put runflats on a daily driver!! Any comfort you had is out the damn door. Any vehicle with them is like driving Fred Flinstones car😁.

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by thinker

anyone have any advice on purchasing an M5, but living with it on different tires. I can’t imagine driving on anything other than all seasons for most of the year. Snows in the winter aren’t required, but might be a good idea. Would you ever put run flats on it? I think there’s some issue with availability for the car at the moment for certain tires.

I bought pirelli scorpions for winter driving
I tried all seasons before on my M8 and winter tires as well
I will say that all seasons changes the way the car feels and drives dono how to explain it
So I decided to go back to winter tires and this time with pirelli scorpions only one available

[AHall]

Originally Posted by thinker

anyone have any advice on purchasing an M5, but living with it on different tires. I can’t imagine driving on anything other than all seasons for most of the year. Snows in the winter aren’t required, but might be a good idea. Would you ever put run flats on it? I think there’s some issue with availability for the car at the moment for certain tires.

My wife has run flats on here m550i. Will never ever buy a car with run flats again. Mainly because any puncture requires replacement, no repair. At least that is what BMW has always told us. Fortunately we purchased the wheel and tire protection warranty which in our case has paid for itself many times over. We paid for maybe four tires in 7 years.

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by AHall

My wife has run flats on here m550i. Will never ever buy a car with run flats again. Mainly because any puncture requires replacement, no repair. At least that is what BMW has always told us. Fortunately we purchased the wheel and tire protection warranty which in our case has paid for itself many times over. We paid for maybe four tires in 7 years.

Agree run flats are a no no for low profile tires
U will need to replace tires every few months if you got into potholes

[houstonT]

Perfect daily, that's what i bought mine for...one comment on CCB, i would NEVER purchase a car without them, for one singular reason - brake dust! BMW steel brakes are horrendous on brake dust. They work fine in winter, you just need to keep some heat in them.
Peter