[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by ASAP

i am not 100% i agree w these statements...

if you compare the e90 m3 vs the f80 m3... there were a few things that took place... the f80 was a very involving car and not numb

1. Hydraulic steering to EPS rack - I agree... this lost some feedback but gained a lot of accuracy... the f80 cs steering is arguably near perfect imho

2. the f80 dropped weight vs the e90... it got numerous CF components that the e90 never had plus a cf rear driveshaft

3. the car had solid rear frame sub bushings directly mounted onto the subframe w no rubber inserts anywhere

4. the car was also absolutely wild in mdm mode and took a keen driver to focus on driving that car even at low speeds

now w the G80-

1. we gained AWD
2. a heavier car
3. an automatic slushbox instead of dct
4. and an incredibly isolated almost luxury car chassis

yes, it more capable but not remotely as involving or fun as its predecessor F80... when i first drove a G80... i thought it was a fast luxury car

I never got in touch with the F80, mainly due to the weird power delivery and traction issues. It was a far more visceral experience than an E90 and the G80. The solid rear frame sub bushings, and the insane power delivery was something I was not too fond of, although I understand it makes the driving more engaging, but somehow I never got into tune with the car.

One of the few M cars recently I did not know, or was never interested in owning. The G80 RWD Competition (the only version that come to Brazil), to me although with an automatic slushbox was a far more approachable car, and that I was able to go a lot faster than the F80, and explore its limits, and boy does it deliver when you go to the limit. The steering is vastly improved, so is the power delivery, the rear is far more planted as well when you hit mid corner bumps.

[playswcars]

Homie speccing another press car, yawn.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

I never got in touch with the F80, mainly due to the weird power delivery and traction issues. It was a far more visceral experience than an E90 and the G80. The solid rear frame sub bushings, and the insane power delivery was something I was not too fond of, although I understand it makes the driving more engaging, but somehow I never got into tune with the car.

One of the few M cars recently I did not know, or was never interested in owning. The G80 RWD Competition (the only version that come to Brazil), to me although with an automatic slushbox was a far more approachable car, and that I was able to go a lot faster than the F80, and explore its limits, and boy does it deliver when you go to the limit. The steering is vastly improved, so is the power delivery, the rear is far more planted as well when you hit mid corner bumps.

i 100% agree with everything you said... the G80 is by far the more capable, more planted and far more approachable car... i would also say it's probably safer for 99% of drivers as it is far more stable and the linear power delivery makes it easier to control (somehow amateurs have still wrecked many). That being said, at slow speeds and without pushing it to 8/10... it's simply a boring luxury car to me. The F80 was never boring at any speed and it bit you if didn't know how to handle it... i can see how that could bother many tho... i am surprised though that a ton of people would look down on something like an F87 /F80 but look up to a 911 which is in fact visceral.

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by ASAP

i 100% agree with everything you said... the G80 is by far the more capable, more planted and far more approachable car... i would also say it's probably safer for 99% of drivers as it is far more stable and the linear power delivery makes it easier to control (somehow amateurs have still wrecked many). That being said, at slow speeds and without pushing it to 8/10... it's simply a boring luxury car to me. The F80 was never boring at any speed and it bit you if didn't know how to handle it... i can see how that could bother many tho... i am surprised though that a ton of people would look down on something like an F87 /F80 but look up to a 911 which is in fact visceral.

I believe part of the problem is that the roads in Brazil are absolute s....

So the F8x really struggled.

I have driven and owned 992.1 Porsches and trust me those are way more refined and less visceral than the F8x LOL

[thaalrasha]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

If you see my posts about the G90 I was pretty positive about it. So much so, that I ordered one after driving it 1300km in Germany.

But to say you dont feel the weight, that its.surprising and blah blah, is a load of horseshit. Joe's review doesnt have a single criticism about the car, and believe there is stuff to criticize.

It all depends your point of comparison. Joe has a G81 and compares the weight feel with that car most likely which is already quite heavy and in that perspective it's quite valid, unless you push it hard on a bend its not obviously feeling any heavier than a G81.

Of course if you jump in a G90 after a nimble lose RWD G87 or an F8x it will feel like a truck.

[masd79]

Originally Posted by ASAP

used to be f87c... now looking at supra, maybe corvette c8 or maybe a g80 if i can drive it again and it satisfies me... so far it hasn't so don't have expectations there...

C8 drives like crap, try it out before you commit! I haven’t tried the zo6 but regular ones are no fun.. they drive like denali setup ona sports car