[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

At Car and Driver's first comparo test, the Alfa threw a bunch of codes. It wouldn't start. They had to grab a OBDII scan tool, clear the codes to get it running. It still won the comparo IIRC.

They chalked it up to being Italian.

LOL.

Yeah to be fair that was 8 years ago. There's less of that stuff now, just those turbos.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

This is basically what I have heard from countless people who have owned Stelvios, Giulia models, and Quads - and to boot, most of them had put significant mileage on them (40-60K).

45k miles on mine in 4 yrs, I have had a couple minor issues. Just got the extended warranty, overall the 2.0s are reliable enough.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Yeah to be fair that was 8 years ago. There's less of that stuff now, just those turbos.

I wasn't trying to be unfair. I just thought it was amusing. The comparo was the ATS-V/M3/Alfa/Benz C63. The Alfa won. And that's when it was discovered the ATS' windows were not big enough...

Anyway, I used Al Gore's amazing internet to find the passage from the Car and Driver piece:

2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio vs. 2017 BMW M3, 2017 Cadillac ATS-V, 2017 Mercedes-AMG C63 S

By Tony Quiroga, Published: Feb 24, 2017

"Another reminder that we were in an Italian car hit us when we briefly warmed up the Giulia using the remote-start feature. After we entered the car and pushed the start button, the Alfa died. A quick restart illuminated the check-engine light and brought up two messages: “Service Electronic Throttle Control” and “Service Engine.” The Giulia still drove, but it wouldn’t move out of its low-boost advanced-efficiency mode. Fortunately, at the next stop, our always prepared assistant technical editor, David Beard, plugged in his OBD II scanner and cleared the codes. It cured the Alfa, but the fault returned when, in the interest of science, we tried remote-starting the car again. Alfa should include an OBD II scanner as standard equipment, and customers should consider themselves part of the development team.

We are willing to overlook this hiccup, but it’s a reminder that Italian cars are part comedy and part tragedy."

And the comment about the ATS-V, "It’s also harder to see out of the ATS-V than the other cars. Small rear windows..."

Hilarious.

[blinkme323]

I’ve owned multiple M3s and other similar performance vehicles and my 24 Giulia Quad is the best car I’ve ever owned, not even close really. The Ferrari derived engine, steering, handing, it’s surreal. There’s nothing remotely like it in the price range.

People will bring up the same old “reliability” tropes but the truth is anything from 2019 on has been rock solid. 2024 is really the year to get though as it’s a one off with new headlights, taillights, infotainment, mechanical LSD et al.

Trust me though I was very skeptical for years because of the trolls out there and now I’m kicking myself for not getting one sooner. I’ll never get rid of this thing.

[z335is]

Literally a 4 door Ferrari, no further explanation needed. I had a F80 M3cs and I’d take the Quad 10 times out of 10 (and I loved the CS).

We haven’t had a single issue with our 2022 but of course you’ll get the usual group of numbskulls out there that bring up articles from 2018 regarding reliability. Stellantis tightened up these cars massively during the 2nd refresh.

2024 was obviously the last year though. Still a few left out there, but stellantis has stopped all rebate programs from what I’m told. About 50 new ones still for sale so I’ve been contemplating trading ours for the 24. Many, many improvements were made for the last year as a send off.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

[NSXR]

Originally Posted by z335is

Literally a 4 door Ferrari, no further explanation needed.

Not exactly a badge of honor in my book, but to each their own. An acquaintance of mine had a 2022 with all sorts of issues. He had it less than 15K miles and got rid of it. I also know someone with an '18 that has had no issues at all. I thing it's very hit or miss with these cars. Wonderful to look at, to drive, and to hustle down a curvy road, but can also ruin your wallet if it was made on Monday or Friday.

[z335is]

Originally Posted by NSXR

Not exactly a badge of honor in my book, but to each their own. An acquaintance of mine had a 2022 with all sorts of issues. He had it less than 15K miles and got rid of it. I also know someone with an '18 that has had no issues at all. I thing it's very hit or miss with these cars. Wonderful to look at, to drive, and to hustle down a curvy road, but can also ruin your wallet if it was made on Monday or Friday.

Comparing it to a 200k super car isn’t a badge of honor? I don’t like the books that you read 😉

[NSXR]

Originally Posted by z335is

Comparing it to a 200k super car isn’t a badge of honor?

They're usually built with less quality than a Kia.

[BMWsully]

Originally Posted by z335is

Comparing it to a 200k super car isn’t a badge of honor? I don’t like the books that you read 😉

Lol yeah I also had to go back and re-read his post to make sure I was seeing that correctly. Some people on here are strange.

If you’re here for a car that will last 200k miles without any squeaks then get yourself a nice Camry. This is a performance oriented discussion.

@OP I would definitely go test drive one if you can. I personally love the car and say go for it, but it’s very VERY raw and will try to kill you in race mode, lol. I think most appreciate that fact but test it for yourself and see how it fits your profile.

[ShocknAwe]

Just because a car has mechanical issues that require their own set of maintenance schedules doesn't mean it's not an incredible performance option. It just might mean it isn't an affordable option for most. And that's ok. It's important to consider what you can afford. If you can afford it and it's worth it, you'll enjoy it.

Life is too short for boring cars you don't enjoy.

To make a nearly direct comparison my heavily modified N54 E82 is an absolute money pit. I love it to death and will keep repairing it until I can't anymore.

[Alfisti]

Especially on a BMW forum. In the last 20 years or so we've had a V8 that ate rod bearings, Vanos issues, water pumps made of cardboard and guaranteed to fail early and a mass produced 2 lite turbo charged engine that has relentlessly lunched itself.

There's no shortage of porsche guys that say their BMW costs them more to run. I know the B58 has solved a lot of problems but sheeeez.

[Mr Friese]

One other thing to keep in mind (if rarity is your thing), only around 3000 Giulia QVs were exported to NA during the entire production run. Moreover, the 2024 (which got a ton of upgrades) was limited to 300 or so units.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Especially on a BMW forum. In the last 20 years or so we've had a V8 that ate rod bearings, Vanos issues, water pumps made of cardboard and guaranteed to fail early and a mass produced 2 lite turbo charged engine that has relentlessly lunched itself.

There's no shortage of porsche guys that say their BMW costs them more to run. I know the B58 has solved a lot of problems but sheeeez.

I've had many Porsches and BMWs. Aside from my Panamera, the Porsches have cost me way less than the BMW's ever did to run. Fortunately the Panamera is under warranty but the repairs ain't cheap. My E92 engine blew twice though from rod bearings, never blown an Porsche engine.

[silvermanor]

If you want some entertainment, go have a look at the Giulia QV forums. Shocking amount of insane issues on fairly new cars over there including many engine replacements for cars under 20k miles. If you honestly argue that the Giulia QV is a car without some catastrophic reliability issues, you are biased or you are uninformed.

[Alfisti]

I'm not saying they don't have issues, i'm saying this is a BMW forum so glass houses and all that.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

I'm not saying they don't have issues, i'm saying this is a BMW forum so glass houses and all that.

Fair enough. Coming from the domestic world we all laughed at how unreliable BMWs were. BMW I6s are the laughing stock of the domestic world because they're so problematic and they don't even make gobs of power like BMW's V8s at least do.

[silvermanor]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Fair enough. Coming from the domestic world we all laughed at how unreliable BMWs were. BMW I6s are the laughing stock of the domestic world because they're so problematic and they don't even make gobs of power like BMW's V8s at least do.

This isn't 2010 anymore. BMW (un)reliability isn't really in the same universe to where it was even a decade ago.

[silvermanor]

Originally Posted by Mr Friese

One other thing to keep in mind (if rarity is your thing), only around 3000 Giulia QVs were exported to NA during the entire production run. Moreover, the 2024 (which got a ton of upgrades) was limited to 300 or so units.

The Ghibli is rare too. Rarity doesn't always correlate to value.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Fair enough. Coming from the domestic world we all laughed at how unreliable BMWs were. BMW I6s are the laughing stock of the domestic world because they're so problematic and they don't even make gobs of power like BMW's V8s at least do.

Haven't had any issues with my engine. Fuel injectors water pump turbo clutch differential suspension mounts though... So engine is about the only thing left hahaha.

Engine makes plenty of power. BMW twin turbo I6 are pretty legendary TBH. Maybe you mean the other I6 engines?

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Fair enough. Coming from the domestic world we all laughed at how unreliable BMWs were. BMW I6s are the laughing stock of the domestic world because they're so problematic and they don't even make gobs of power like BMW's V8s at least do.

You mean were? B58 will probably go down as one of the all time great engines of any size or displacement. BMW has come a long way in the last 15 years in regards to reliability.

[BMWsully]

Originally Posted by silvermanor

The Ghibli is rare too. Rarity doesn't always correlate to value.

A lot more Ghibli’s out there than Giulia Quads actually. The Ghibli also doesn’t use the 690T engine, which the Maserati folks were not happy about (understandably)

[M370z]

Whenever the Giulia QV gets mentioned here there’s always a contingent that gets weirdly threatened by the car. Happens in every thread, lol.

I had a 2020 and it was the best car I ever owned. The engine, the responsiveness etc. is like nothing else I’ve ever experienced. Definitely came with its share of Italian “quirks” but zero issues.

Still kick myself for getting rid of it, but we had two little ones so moved on to the X3M.