[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by minn19

Really? Did VER ever get penalized for this idiocy/exceptionally dangerous move? Trying to continue on when he knew had damaged steering/suspension and shedding parts all over the track at the beginning of a race when everyone was tightly packed together still?

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/v...548327799.html

Race 1 - Bahrain .
For exceeding the track limits . While HAM exceeded 29 times the track limits .

Penalized ?
Actually worse . HAM stole the victory !

[inTgr8r]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Race 1 - Bahrain .
For exceeding the track limits . While HAM exceeded 29 times the track limits .

Penalized ?
Actually worse . HAM stole the victory !

You need a new horse.
You've already beat that one to death.

[Killed by Death]

What some people call cheating I call creativity. Anyone remember the F-Duct?
If not for driver safety I think it was genius and should have been allowed.

Ferrari Jet Mode was pushing it. Continuing to allowing whatever they were doing with the engine would have opened a huge can of worms.

Red Bulls current wing flexing passes all current scrutinizing. Other teams should be able to do the same if they can figure it out.

IMHO of course, since it seems in vogue to take a giant shit on anything I say

Now, let the flaming begin.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

You need a new horse.
You've already beat that one to death.

Actually I'm having 420 ponies .

[///M Power-Belgium]

Wings ?

Red Bull gives you wings !

[minn19]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Race 1 - Bahrain .
For exceeding the track limits . While HAM exceeded 29 times the track limits .

Penalized ?
Actually worse . HAM stole the victory !

Gawd, that’s the best/all you have?

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

What some people call cheating I call creativity. Anyone remember the F-Duct?
If not for driver safety I think it was genius and should have been allowed.

Ferrari Jet Mode was pushing it. Continuing to allowing whatever they were doing with the engine would have opened a huge can of worms.

Red Bulls current wing flexing passes all current scrutinizing. Other teams should be able to do the same if they can figure it out.

IMHO of course, since it seems in vogue to take a giant shit on anything I say

Now, let the flaming begin.

Still hasn’t worked for RB though so I guess it really isn’t an issue regardless of the rules debate.

[irunalot]

Redbull gives you bendy wings. Pretty obvious in the video, but let the excuses fly as always. Sure MB had something to do with it. Lewis did it SMH

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

If you want to use your platform as an F1 7 time champ to send a different message go right ahead champ.

Hamilton is making people see and confront the world we live in. I am happy he has shed a light on some of these issues even if its only a passing thought for many people who would likewise never given it a moment.

You are making it simplistic, implying that (for some people, not necessarily you) if you do not support Lewis's political position on racism, you must be racist. There is the folly right there. There are many ways to skin the cat, so to speak. Some will disagree on Lewis's take on racism, some will agree, EVEN THOUGH BOTH ARE AGAINST RACISM.

That is the point right there on why I disagree with mixing politics with sports. What is also apparent is some have the idea that if you disagree with Lewis's position on racism, you must be racist, which is simply idiotic IMO.

So that is why REGARDLESS of political position, whether I agree with it or not, it should NOT be mixed in with sports.

Leave politics to the Politicians in the same way I would not want politicians driving race cars.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

You are making it simplistic, implying that (for some people, not necessarily you) if you do not support Lewis's political position on racism, you must be racist. There is the folly right there. There are many ways to skin the cat, so to speak. Some will disagree on Lewis's take on racism, some will agree, EVEN THOUGH BOTH ARE AGAINST RACISM.

That is the point right there on why I disagree with mixing politics with sports. What is also apparent is some have the idea that if you disagree with Lewis's position on racism, you must be racist, which is simply idiotic IMO.

So that is why REGARDLESS of political position, whether I agree with it or not, it should NOT be mixed in with sports.

Leave politics to the Politicians in the same way I would not want politicians driving race cars.

Bingo!!!

But but but it’s always beeeen that wayyyy!

[M5Rick]

Yup sad but true, hammy exceeded track limits 29 (twenty nine) times and Max once who was then penalised by Masi.

[M5Rick]

Masi ok'd to show off Max's broken down car to Imola town on a breakdown truck for all to see and photograph all of RB's hard work instead of taking it straight back to the RB pits.

[Ngilbe36]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

You are making it simplistic, implying that (for some people, not necessarily you) if you do not support Lewis's political position on racism, you must be racist. There is the folly right there. There are many ways to skin the cat, so to speak. Some will disagree on Lewis's take on racism, some will agree, EVEN THOUGH BOTH ARE AGAINST RACISM.

That is the point right there on why I disagree with mixing politics with sports. What is also apparent is some have the idea that if you disagree with Lewis's position on racism, you must be racist, which is simply idiotic IMO.

So that is why REGARDLESS of political position, whether I agree with it or not, it should NOT be mixed in with sports.

Leave politics to the Politicians in the same way I would not want politicians driving race cars.

Speaking generally, its very easy for everyone to say "Im not racist". There are many things in life that will go unknown to billions if you dont see it. I was born in Vermont and did not see many of the issues around with race because the state is almost entirely white. That doesnt make the people that live there racist, just less informed. Lewis is making people see or at least be very mildly aware of the issues and may spark a few people to dig deeper into things and educate themselves on the topic, or maybe not.

I have no problem with it, you do. Its all good. We can both co-exist.

I do disagree with your politicians and racecars dont mix.

Vermont's governor has been a local racecar driver for many years and continues to do so while governor! He is as cool as they come.

https://vtdigger.org/2019/07/03/gov-...oad-speedbowl/

[racerbruce]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

It's not a directed at you. The F1 subform is not the only place I post so friends see it also.

You pull up to a traffic light and stop next to a family van....and then flip them off....and then you tell them its not directed at them b/c you flip off your friends also....

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

Except that paragraph 2 and NOT paragraph 1 applies to our discussion on this issue my friend.

Stick to your HR investigations. You'd get killed in contracts. The entirety of the contract is all that counts.

I have a client that is in breech of one of my contracts and doesn't even realize it yet.

The exclusionary line I called out renders anything afterwards in that clause, moot.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by racerbruce

You pull up to a traffic light and stop next to a family van....and then flip them off....and then you tell them its not direct at them b/c you flip off your friends also....

Whatever, you don't like me and I don't like you. If I were to say some personal specifically to you it would be in person and worded A LOT more harshly.

[Ngilbe36]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Whatever, you don't like me and I don't like you. If I were to say some personal specifically to you it would be in person and worded A LOT more harshly.

Alright all. Lets bring it back to F1. You take this outside after school.

[tdott]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

There you go again. You are CLUELESS to say I am blind or ignorant, LOL.

So just as an FYI, I work very closely with Equal Opportunity Managers (EEO) in conducting EEO investigations and there are explicit requirements under the law to PROVE or DISPROVE discrimination.

The fact that you simply LABEL others as Racists or are discriminating based on random posts on an F1 Board, without them stating they are outright racist, and without FACTS to back it up is simply not going to cut the mustard. You are simply a Flame Baiter, of which there are a dime a dozen.

Uhh, who are you? Read my post again. Specifically this:

Originally Posted by tdott

If you haven't seen that in the past diversity has been a problem in F1, then you are oblivious and blind or just ignorant to it and part of the problem.

I am only labeling you if you think F1 hasn't ever had a problem with race and diversity. Are you saying that you think F1 doesn't have and never has had this problem?

If what you say is true, you of all people should understand the impact race has had on F1 and not try to minimize it and sweep it under the rug. Talking about it doesn't have to have a negative connotation.

[tdott]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

What is also apparent is some have the idea that if you disagree with Lewis's position on racism, you must be racist, which is simply idiotic IMO.

Are you saying you disagree with his experience and the racism he faced while growing up and working his way up the ranks to f1?

You can disagree with how he is using his platform to advocate for change in his sport and overall. Saying you disagree with his position, is like denying what he went through as a kid and even as an F1 driver with the racist fans. Let alone all the stuff you don't see behind the scenes.

You can disagree with how he is using his platform to advocate for change in his sport and overall. But it's pretty insulting to him and others that have experienced similar to pretend like stuff doesn't happen and that he shouldn't or anyone else shouldn't talk about it in F1.

That type of position makes it seem like you are okay with it and want to not talk about it, want to sweep it under the rug. Did you watch any of his interviews on the topic?

[racerbruce]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Whatever, you don't like me and I don't like you. If I were to say some personal specifically to you it would be in person and worded A LOT more harshly.

"Thank you for calling Acme Communications....your call is very important to us....our operators are currently answering other calls....please stand by....we should be able to answer your call in 3,000 years."

No more one's and zero's to be expended.

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by tdott

Are you saying you disagree with his experience and the racism he faced while growing up and working his way up the ranks to f1?

You can disagree with how he is using his platform to advocate for change in his sport and overall. Saying you disagree with his position, is like denying what he went through as a kid and even as an F1 driver with the racist fans. Let alone all the stuff you don't see behind the scenes.

You can disagree with how he is using his platform to advocate for change in his sport and overall. But it's pretty insulting to him and others that have experienced similar to pretend like stuff doesn't happen and that he shouldn't or anyone else shouldn't talk about it in F1.

That type of position makes it seem like you are okay with it and want to not talk about it, want to sweep it under the rug. Did you watch any of his interviews on the topic?

Further confirmation you are clueless with your speculations. This is my last post on the subject because I am now prolonging what I did not want to prolonged in the first place. This is a RACING BOARD. GO TAKE YOUR POLITICS TO A POLITICAL FORUM WHERE IT RIGHTFULLY BELONGS.

[tdott]

Originally Posted by Autobacs

Further confirmation you are clueless with your speculations. This is my last post on the subject because I am now prolonging what I did not want to prolonged in the first place. This is a RACING BOARD. GO TAKE YOUR POLITICS TO A POLITICAL FORUM WHERE IT RIGHTFULLY BELONGS.

Sorry, at what point in time did I say anything political? I was specifically addressing racism. Racism isn't political, but yes certain politics sadly can be based on race. Please understand the difference.

It's unfortunate that you make some pretty bold claims, and then don't want to talk about what you said and the implications.

You said you don't agree with Lewis Hamilton's position on racism. His position is that he experienced it and wants to see change, even funding a commission to identify what can be done to help, where I bet he will contribute more funding to.

So you disagree with that? Are you saying you disagree with the racism he experienced? Are you saying you disagree with his position to want to see change in the sport and overall in the world?

Remember, I am only labeling you if you think F1 hasn't ever had a problem with race and diversity. Are you saying that you think F1 doesn't have and never has had this problem? You haven't denied this yet, so maybe you truly do think this.

You can disagree with how he is using his platform to advocate for change in his sport and overall. But that doesn't seem to be what you are disagreeing with based on your comments. But ill let you use it as a way out.

Cheers.