[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by supra93

I fit in one just fine

$50k-$60k has been hinted by the design team.

I can actually fit in the first gen non t-top. But neither of the second gen. And we won?t discuss the Missus

[supra93]

Insider has contradicted MT. He is said around $50k-$60k, just north of 3,000lbs, 8 speed auto & DCT, BMW I6, and looking at mid 300hp. His guess would be +/-380hp, but nothing is set in stone yet.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by supra93

Insider has contradicted MT. He is said around $50k-$60k, just north of 3,000lbs, 8 speed auto & DCT, BMW I6, and looking at mid 300hp. His guess would be +/-380hp, but nothing is set in stone yet.

So no manual at all? Also no rear "seats?"

[supra93]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

So no manual at all? Also no rear "seats?"

Don't shoot the messenger

From what I understand the engineering team didn't have any interest when the manual question was asked, but they did say they will keep it in mind. No confirmation, but they hint at a 2+2 "due to past layout".

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by supra93

Don't shoot the messenger

From what I understand the engineering team didn't have any interest when the manual question was asked, but they did say they will keep it in mind. No confirmation, but they hint at a 2+2 "due to past layout".

Haha, you're all good. You've been solid info on this one. Pity if no manual, but not all that surprising.

[supra93]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Haha, you're all good. You've been solid info on this one. Pity if no manual, but not all that surprising.

Some of the things he says are kind of odd. Anyways, hopefully we'll know for sure in four weeks time.

Oh and that guy also said this is the closest rendering out there.

[wdb]

2+2? Why. Nobody ever sits back there.

[Browntrash]

Originally Posted by wdb

2+2? Why. Nobody ever sits back there.

irrespective, i dont like the new dimensions. OG supra is big, and this is more z4 size.

[Red Bread]

Surprising, the Mk4 was 11 inches longer than the E89, and an inch wider and roughly 200 pounds heavier. Pretty sure the new car will be larger than the E89, so perhaps middle ground between those two.

[angelr]

Originally Posted by supra93

I fit in one just fine



$50k-$60k has been hinted by the design team.

Me too; owned two first gens and a second gen in addition to my 95 TT

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by supra93

Some of the things he says are kind of odd. Anyways, hopefully we'll know for sure in four weeks time.

Oh and that guy also said this is the closest rendering out there.

Ugh.

[supra93]

If they can stuff backseats into the 86, I think it will doable here as well. And the press release did say "midsize sports", so it has to be larger than the 86 and outgoing Z4.

Length
Z4: 166.9 in
86: 166.9 in

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by supra93

If they can stuff backseats into the 86, I think it will doable here as well. And the press release did say "midsize sports", so it has to be larger than the 86 and outgoing Z4.

Length
Z4: 166.9 in
86: 166.9 in

Agreed, and the rear seats in the 86 are actually reasonable. A dad at my kid's daycare has made them work for both rear and front facing seats.

[Mouse]

Originally Posted by wdb

2+2? Why. Nobody ever sits back there.

Probably to help with insurance cost? Wasn't that the reason the SC300 had "backseats?" Anyway, that's what I always guessed.

[supra93]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Agreed, and the rear seats in the 86 are actually reasonable. A dad at my kid's daycare has made them work for both rear and front facing seats.

Yup, most people are surprised to know the interior space of the MK4 and 86 are roughly the same. People over at the Toyota side have made the same points. Good for kids, occasional backseats passengers, more practical and etc. Personally I don't care either way.

[angelr]

Originally Posted by supra93

Yup, most people are surprised to know the interior space of the MK4 and 86 are roughly the same. People over at the Toyota side have made the same points. Good for kids, occasional backseats passengers, more practical and etc. Personally I don't care either way.

I used to put the kids in the back of the Supra in their baby seats...until the cage went in. But those kids are now 17 and 20 so I no longer have any need for the jump seats

[rainfall]

Out of curiosity, do you know if the Supra will be a 2+2 seater?
I'm really interested in this car.

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by rainfall

Out of curiosity, do you know if the Supra will be a 2+2 seater?
I'm really interested in this car.

I do not believe it will be but I am far from an expert. If I were going to invest in a Japanese 2+2 it would be a resto mod 280Z. Haven't really dug into the new Supra much but here's a decent article that hits the highlights.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...-what-we-know/

[supra93]

Originally Posted by rainfall

Out of curiosity, do you know if the Supra will be a 2+2 seater?
I'm really interested in this car.

Just online rumors so far, but we will know for sure in 25 days from now.



I thought the roof-line looked odd. So I did a chop with the concept's roof. Made the roof-line taller/thicker. Lower the belt line and moved the rear wheel forward.

[supra93]

Another rendering.

[NickyC]

^If that's the final product, I hope lots of people like it and enjoy it, but for me I have zero interest in the car. Bad enough no manual, and the thing just looks like typical Toyota boredom for the past nearly 20 years. To think two of my favorite cars of all time are the MR2 Turbo and the Supra MKIV, and they've made NOTHING in 20 years that even interests me. Quite a bummer.

[supra93]

Exec dishes on GR sub-brand, Supra, and next Toyobaru

Although the Supra sports car co-developed with BMW is no secret, Toyota this week revealed two next-generation sports cars that are likely to enter the lineup.

Although there were doubts whether Toyota and Subaru would continue their joint venture to make a second-generation 86 and BRZ, the two automakers “are already in discussion” to continue the rear-drive sporty coupe, said Shigeki Tomoyama, Toyota Motor Corp. senior managing officer.

Also raising eyebrows at the Tokyo Motor Show was Toyota’s GR HV Sports concept. Although some thought this targa-top coupe was a preview of the next 86/BRZ mashup, Tomoyama said this car was something further up the food chain, using the hybrid racing technology borrowed from the World Endurance Championship.

The WEC car, code-named TS050 in the LMP1 class, runs an engine with 45 percent thermal efficiency. Whereas Toyota used supercapacitors in previous WEC iterations, the TS050 has a motor-generator unit at each axle, with energy storage coming from cockpit-mounted, regenerative lithium-ion battery packs. When that feeds the 2.4-liter turbo V-6, total system output nears 1,000 hp.

But anyone can make horsepower. The real story, especially in endurance racing, is thermal efficiency. Most passenger cars are lucky if they reach 35 percent. But Toyota has a target of 50 percent thermal efficiency, said Tomoyama, who is president of Gazoo Racing and of Toyota’s connectivity efforts.

With a 173-inch length, 71-inch width, and 50.4-inch height, the GR HV Sports is about 7 inches longer than the Toyota 86 but about the same width and height.

Although no final decision has been made to build the car, Tomoyama said: “We would like to commercialize such kinds of sports vehicles with that kind of efficiency.”

As for the Supra, Tomoyama confirmed that Toyota wants the vehicle to have a straight-six layout and be “light and powerful.”

Tomoyama said Toyota CEO Akio Toyoda—driving under his racing alter ego “Morizo”—has been active in testing the Supra at the Nürburgring and elsewhere.

“We are focusing on rear tire traction and contact with the road,” Tomoyama said. “Cornering within smaller-diameter (tight) corners will be very important. The rear tires will need a little slip, and drivers need to know (the limit) of the slip.”

As for how much the Supra will be similar to the BMW Z4, Tomoyama said that Toyota utilized “some” parts from BMW, “but the model we are developing will be completely different. We will not disappoint.”

As a benchmark, Tomoyama has brought his personal 1997 Supra, tuned to 600 hp, into the Toyota executive parking lot. The Supra makes so much noise compared to most executives’ cars that the parking attendant tried to throw him out of the lot, determining that Tomoyama was a youthful imposter. Now, Tomoyama said: “He bows very deeply to me.”

Gazoo is now involved in tuning the Lexus “F” models, specifically the next-generation GS-F.

“We are looking at what kind of target audience the car has, what tone and manner, how much understeer and oversteer balance,”Tomoyama said. “The cars have to run faster, and that tuning is already (in place). Even within Lexus, we may have different models which have different tuning.”

As for whether Gazoo Racing will make specific inroads into the U.S. market, Tomoyama said that the brand will not interfere with the existing Toyota Racing Development group.

“TRD is a brand of parts, a customization brand. Gazoo Racing ranges from development of a car in production to sales. Of course, customization is part of Gazoo Racing. But Gazoo is going to launch a very pure sports vehicle in the future, and then you will know difference between GR and other companies.”

But for now, Gazoo is focused on the European and Japanese markets, where endurance and rally racing are more popular. In eyeing the American market, Gazoo is in early talks with folks interested in NASCAR and the IndyCar series.

But anyone lusting for a Gazoo Camry will have to wait a while, Tomoyama said: “We would rather launch a sports car with a dedicated special platform.”

http://www.motortrend.com/news/toyot...f-sports-cars/