[TiMSport]

Thoughts on this incident?

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/artic...rd-killed-them

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Thoughts on this incident?

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/artic...rd-killed-them

Well damn! That's just a retarded reason to shoot anybody. What is this world coming to?!?

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Well damn! That's just a retarded reason to shoot anybody. What is this world coming to?!?

We are already there; a Machostupid gun culture.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by rwheels

Yes, I did it; but I'm not guilty of having done it

There is a big difference between innocent and not guilty.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

We are already there; a Machostupid gun culture.

Or just a violent stupid idiot with poor impulse control who likely shouldn't have had access to firearms in the first place.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Murf993

Or just a violent stupid idiot with poor impulse control who likely shouldn't have had access to firearms in the first place.

Or maybe we have both....

[F30lolz]

This morning I was pulled over on the highway doing 79 in a 70. Meanwhile I was going along the flow of (light) traffic so found it odd. I already had my paperwork ready before he arrived and gave me the reason for the stop. I agreed I was going nine (9) mph over and he checks out my info, returns the paperwork to me and I was on my way.

While I found it puzzling that he pulled me over and not anyone else, I still respected the officer, didn’t question him, didn’t act like an asshat and look what it got me, a warning.

See, the world does have nice people, even if I’m one of them.

[cmyx6go]

Originally Posted by F30lolz

This morning I was pulled over on the highway doing 79 in a 70. Meanwhile I was going along the flow of (light) traffic so found it odd. I already had my paperwork ready before he arrived and gave me the reason for the stop. I agreed I was going nine (9) mph over and he checks out my info, returns the paperwork to me and I was on my way.

While I found it puzzling that he pulled me over and not anyone else, I still respected the officer, didn’t question him, didn’t act like an asshat and look what it got me, a warning.

See, the world does have nice people, even if I’m one of them.

That's odd. Usually it's "9, you're fine. 10, you're mine." Sounds like maybe you caught his eye for another reason but your behavior got you a pass.

[F30lolz]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

Sounds like maybe you caught his eye for another reason but your behavior got you a pass.

Maybe it’s because I have an upside down ///M badge which reads W\\\428i. Think I should remove it?

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by Murf993

Or just a violent stupid idiot with poor impulse control who likely shouldn't have had access to firearms in the first place.

But isn't this the real issue here? People that "shouldn't" have firearms do and can easily obtain them.

[UncleWede]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

But isn't this the real issue here? People that "shouldn't" have firearms do and can easily obtain them.

Because of a few id10Ts, none of us should have one?

What sports car are driving, or wishing to drive???

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

Because of a few id10Ts, none of us should have one?

What sports car are driving, or wishing to drive???

Is that what I said? No, it is not. If you are a responsible gun owner, you shouldn't have any issue. This is another issue. Just a hint of trying to do something about preventing nutbags from so easily obtaining firearms and people go full attack mode. Fact of the matter is a large majority of Americans support universal background checks, well over 90% I believe.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

But isn't this the real issue here? People that "shouldn't" have firearms do and can easily obtain them.

Sure, but the fact remains especially in the US that the guns are out there and the 2A isn't going anywhere.

Blaming firearms is similar albeit different to blaming cars for drunk drivers rather than the drunk who get's behind the wheel.

It's a big complicated problem. For us north of the border the problem is guns smuggled from the US into Canada which ultimately end up in the hands of people who shouldn't have them. The border is huge, and porous so the guns are going to keep coming. So what does our government do, they make it even more difficult for law abiding legal gun owners to purchase/acquire and use firearms, when about 90% are smuggled.

Governments on both sides of the border have no apatite to address the actual problems.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

Because of a few id10Ts, none of us should have one?....

That's quite a stretch of logic, Uncle!

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by Murf993

Sure, but the fact remains especially in the US that the guns are out there and the 2A isn't going anywhere.

Blaming firearms is similar albeit different to blaming cars for drunk drivers rather than the drunk who get's behind the wheel.

It's a big complicated problem. For us north of the border the problem is guns smuggled from the US into Canada which ultimately end up in the hands of people who shouldn't have them. The border is huge, and porous so the guns are going to keep coming. So what does our government do, they make it even more difficult for law abiding legal gun owners to purchase/acquire and use firearms, when about 90% are smuggled.

Governments on both sides of the border have no apatite to address the actual problems.

Again, this is not what I was suggesting. I don't really want to jump into this topic because it's such a hot button, but no one is going to eliminate the 2A, period. As I stated a moment ago, a huge majority of Americans (I can't speak for Canadians) would like to see universal background checks and no loopholes. I just think some people start foaming at the mouth whenever they hear anything that sounds like (in their mind) that someone is coming to take your firearms away. I don't believe that's what we're talking about here.

Back to the article I linked, that dude clearly has issues and killed two officers in his backyard for a ridiculous reason. I'm not saying there may have been red flags easily identified with this individual, but who knows?

To clarify my point of view, I'm not blaming the gun here. I'm blaming the owner of said gun.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Murf993

....
It's a big complicated problem. For us north of the border the problem is guns smuggled from the US into Canada which ultimately end up in the hands of people who shouldn't have them.....
Governments on both sides of the border have no apatite to address the actual problems.

The gun smuggling from states with more lax gun safety laws is a major problem in NYC, Canada, and also in Mexico.

[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

Because of a few id10Ts, none of us should have one?

<=== Did the multi-year jump through all of NY State's flaming hoops to get my CCW permit.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

But isn't this the real issue here? People that "shouldn't" have firearms do and can easily obtain them.

The people that shouldn't have them will steal them or make them. MORE infringement laws won't change that. You can essentially 3D Copy a gun in your own home these days.

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Is that what I said? No, it is not. If you are a responsible gun owner, you shouldn't have any issue. This is another issue. Just a hint of trying to do something about preventing nutbags from so easily obtaining firearms and people go full attack mode. Fact of the matter is a large majority of Americans support universal background checks, well over 90% I believe.

Actually no. People support background checks - which we already have - but not a gun registry. The "universal background check" you're referencing is a universal gun registry. We do not support that. Our guns are already registered. This UBC the left speaks of is a conduit for unfair prosecution and confiscation.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Again, this is not what I was suggesting. I don't really want to jump into this topic because it's such a hot button, but no one is going to eliminate the 2A, period. As I stated a moment ago, a huge majority of Americans (I can't speak for Canadians) would like to see universal background checks and no loopholes. I just think some people start foaming at the mouth whenever they hear anything that sounds like (in their mind) that someone is coming to take your firearms away. I don't believe that's what we're talking about here.

Back to the article I linked, that dude clearly has issues and killed two officers in his backyard for a ridiculous reason. I'm not saying there may have been red flags easily identified with this individual, but who knows?

To clarify my point of view, I'm not blaming the gun here. I'm blaming the owner of said gun.

No worries, I just started rambling on. It's a topic near and dear to my heart in Canada. My wife and I enjoy shooting for sport, and are concerned that the actions of criminals will result in more restrictions on us.

[Frostynorth]

Originally Posted by Murf993

No worries, I just started rambling on. It's a topic near and dear to my heart in Canada. My wife and I enjoy shooting for sport, and are concerned that the actions of criminals will result in more restrictions on us.

Got my PAL/RPAL last year. No doubt more restrictions are coming.

[detroitm2]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Is that what I said? No, it is not. If you are a responsible gun owner, you shouldn't have any issue. This is another issue. Just a hint of trying to do something about preventing nutbags from so easily obtaining firearms and people go full attack mode. Fact of the matter is a large majority of Americans support universal background checks, well over 90% I believe.

Thats assuming that the person in this case would not have passed a background check. Theres plenty of instances of unstable individuals that have 100% clean records and use their legally obtained firearms to commit crimes.

On top of that, criminals have other means to get guns if they want them.

While Im not necessarily against background checks in general, I don't think it's the silver bullet to "fix" the problem. It also gives the anti-2A folks yet another point in their long-running game to basically repeal 2A. And before you go on a tangent about "thats not what anyone wants!" That is exactly what some people want, to repeal the 2nd amendment and implement a 100% gun ban for private citizens. They've tried to do this before (See Assault Rifle Ban of 1994), but then found that the definition of an "Assault Rifle" didn't have the intended effect they wanted. Furthermore, it didn't work. The amount of gun-related crimes was not reduced by any measurable amount that could be attributed to the law being put into effects.

And now they're at it again, another "Assault Rifle Ban" is being thrown around in 2021.

This was a bit of a soapbox, and more pointed at a general comment. So please do not think I was pointing all these comments directly at you, specifically.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Frostynorth

Got my PAL/RPAL last year. No doubt more restrictions are coming.

The sad thing is, more restrictions on folks who obey the law won't stop the senseless violence.