[Grumpy Old Man]

Originally Posted by CigarPundit

I agree with all of that. I’ve just never been entirely comfortable with the Glock trigger safety. It’s a single action trigger (albeit a crappy one with a long pull) and having one in the pipe on a draw is just a bit sketchy to me. I’ve been around long enough to know that mistakes happen and not everyone is in a constant state of training. That’s why there are two schools of thought on whether to keep one in the pipe or rack one in after the draw. Neither one is right or wrong, they just have different risks and benefits.

I just can’t stand it when people act like there is only one “right” way to carry, and discount legitimate concerns by claiming that only a moron would make a mistake that would cause those concerns to be a real world issue. In the real world, things happen quickly, unexpectedly, and under great stress. The one thing you can count on is that mistakes will be made. Unless you are John Wick, of course, in which case

I’m more comfortable with carrying a 1911 cocked and locked. I acknowledge that something could go wrong on the draw there too, but I find it more secure than a Glock on the draw. Now if they were only as reliable

ultimately carry what you're comfortable with, and practice, practice practice.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by CigarPundit

I agree with all of that. I’ve just never been entirely comfortable with the Glock trigger safety. It’s a single action trigger (albeit a crappy one with a long pull) and having one in the pipe on a draw is just a bit sketchy to me. I’ve been around long enough to know that mistakes happen and not everyone is in a constant state of training. That’s why there are two schools of thought on whether to keep one in the pipe or rack one in after the draw. Neither one is right or wrong, they just have different risks and benefits.

I just can’t stand it when people act like there is only one “right” way to carry, and discount legitimate concerns by claiming that only a moron would make a mistake that would cause those concerns to be a real world issue. In the real world, things happen quickly, unexpectedly, and under great stress. The one thing you can count on is that mistakes will be made. Unless you are John Wick, of course, in which case

I’m more comfortable with carrying a 1911 cocked and locked. I acknowledge that something could go wrong on the draw there too, but I find it more secure than a Glock on the draw. Now if they were only as reliable

I'm with you, I vastly prefer even a 1911 cocked and locked to a Glock. I've carried a Kimber of mine countless times that way with no problem, but I can't get past the idea of carrying a Glock chambered for the before mentioned issues. I'd love to get a Glock 21 due to it having the same magazines as my Vector .45, but I just can't do it.

I've been carrying my FNX .45 Tactical lately with an outside the waist band holster. I use the Sig 230gr. V-Crown JHP rounds with it.

[Grumpy Old Man]

Originally Posted by NickyC

I'm with you, I vastly prefer even a 1911 cocked and locked to a Glock. I've carried a Kimber of mine countless times that way with no problem, but I can't get past the idea of carrying a Glock chambered for the before mentioned issues. I'd love to get a Glock 21 due to it having the same magazines as my Vector .45, but I just can't do it.

I've been carrying my FNX .45 Tactical lately with an outside the waist band holster. I use the Sig 230gr. V-Crown JHP rounds with it.

So I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but when you say you've carried various guns without issue what do you mean? Have you found yourself in a situation where you had to draw and shoot? The reason I bring this up is I suspect that the vast majority of CCW folks never actually draw and shoot so there's a lot of speculation about one pistol vs another on their part. I'd suggest that folks should pick one gun to carry and stick with it, practice with it. Practice with the holster you'll use, always use the same holster. Practice drawing and shooting, practice moving to cover because that's what you should always do. Practice clearing stoppages. He who fights and runs away.... I'm not sure why folks don't like Block, 10 of Thousands of LEO carry them for a reason. They work, always, and they are simple to use in high stress situations.

Peace

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by Grumpy Old Man

So I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but when you say you've carried various guns without issue what do you mean? Have you found yourself in a situation where you had to draw and shoot? The reason I bring this up is I suspect that the vast majority of CCW folks never actually draw and shoot so there's a lot of speculation about one pistol vs another on their part. I'd suggest that folks should pick one gun to carry and stick with it, practice with it. Practice with the holster you'll use, always use the same holster. Practice drawing and shooting, practice moving to cover because that's what you should always do. He who fights and runs away.....

Without issue means not putting a hole in my leg/foot/or floor and not feeling intimidated at anytime like I would with a striker fire gun such as a Glock. DA/SA are all I've really owned/used since I was a kid.

[Grumpy Old Man]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Without issue means not putting a hole in my leg/foot/or floor and not feeling intimidated at anytime like I would with a striker fire gun such as a Glock. DA/SA are all I've really owned/used since I was a kid.

So I was going to add one thing to my post but I'll say it here. I've said it before, carry what you're comfortable with and stick with it. All of my training has included 'FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER' until you decide to shoot.

[CigarPundit]

Almost all my draw training has been with a 1911, admittedly, though I have done some with the Glock 17 out of a Kydex, but not out of a carry holster.

I’ve never had an AD in my life (knocks on head), and all my training has obviously included finger off the trigger. Like I said, I love Glocks, I own Glocks, and I agree that they are super reliable. Great guns. Definitely not hating on Glocks.

All in all I prefer the American Draw to the Israeli Draw, and I do keep my finger out of the trigger guard, but...

[N54Yankee]

Just a short vid of my favorite battle rifle I just came across, the M14. It was the first weapon I qualified with in the fleet and still gets high marks from me. I presently have a Springfield M1A set up DMR style and it shoots quite nicely.

[Grip Addict]

Just picked up a Taran +1. I already have a Taran +2 and for IWB carrying, when I look down I always could see it sticking out. Must just be my body and the way my hoster sits against my body/pants, it bothered me.

A simple downgrade from +2 to +1 and I cannot see it through my shirt anymore.

[N54Yankee]

Bought some .308 ammo today. 100 rnds of Fed Gold Match 168’s and two boxes of Federal Berger Hybrid Hunter 168’s. Going to South Carolina in Nov and hoping to get a two day hunting trip in. Hog for at least one of the days maybe both. Plan on using my M1A and going to try these new to me Berger hunting ammo and see how my rifle likes it. It tends to love 168 weight bullets.

I didn’t buy the ammo at Walmart and I never will by anything from that establishment again. They’re dead to me.

[chowser51]

Yep. I was about to buy a youth shotgun for my son's 13th birthday at Walmart but decided to just build him an AR instead. no more Walmart for me.

[1MOREMOD]

What happened to walmart?

[tcphoto]

It has been reported that they will no longer sell ammunition for assault rifles.

[Mandi90TT]

Originally Posted by tcphoto

It has been reported that they will no longer sell ammunition for assault rifles.

Well, sort of...in a pants on head wearing level of stupidity, they said they will no longer sell handgun and short barreled rifle ammunition....

[Shiza]

Originally Posted by tcphoto

It has been reported that they will no longer sell ammunition for assault rifles.

So rifle ammo

Originally Posted by Dave 90TT

Well, sort of...in a pants on head wearing level of stupidity, they said they will no longer sell handgun and short barreled rifle ammunition....

How does that make any sense? My SBR shoots the same 556/223 as my long gun.

[Mandi90TT]

Originally Posted by Shiza

How does that make any sense? My SBR shoots the same 556/223 as my long gun.

That's why I called it pants on head stupidity. It makes no sense...but it does pander to the anti-gunners.

[1MOREMOD]

Yeah just heard shapiro talk about it from yesterday. No hand guns or military style rifles whatever that is. The left gonna bend them over some more over wages. Corporate America needs to tell the media to stfu.

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Yeah just heard shapiro talk about it

Love his podcast...smart guy for sure.

lol gotta love Brownells' latest email blast

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dave 90TT

That's why I called it pants on head stupidity. It makes no sense...but it does pander to the anti-gunners.

It makes sense when the goal isn't accuracy, but instead to vilify.

[GB-335xiCoupe]

Originally Posted by CigarPundit

Almost all my draw training has been with a 1911, admittedly, though I have done some with the Glock 17 out of a Kydex, but not out of a carry holster.

I’ve never had an AD in my life (knocks on head), and all my training has obviously included finger off the trigger. Like I said, I love Glocks, I own Glocks, and I agree that they are super reliable. Great guns. Definitely not hating on Glocks.

All in all I prefer the American Draw to the Israeli Draw, and I do keep my finger out of the trigger guard, but...

Interesting conversation you guys have been having. I just read the last page or so of this thread.

The whole controversy of carrying one in the pipe, condition 1 condition 2, etc... can be an endless debate. I feel like most of you do, that the number one safety is your brain. Regardless of the firearm, condition, situation etc.


I've been shooting guns since I was 7, and I'm 47 now. Never had an AD either. But it could certainly happen.

One side that people usually don't think of as far as having a chambered round: Someone else grabbing your gun.

If you are in a situation (obviously unpredictable) such as a robbery in a bank or restaurant, even a carjacking... The bad guys might be looking for CCW people carrying guns within the restaurant, bank, car. Yes, you can lay low, waiting for the right moment to make your move, you could wait for the right moment to NOT make a move, etc.

But if the BG is actively looking for someone carrying a gun and grabs yours - what is he going to do with it? Is he going to try to shoot you with it? Is it going to go click or bang? You know the condition your gun is in. He doesn't. That is to your advantage.

If you know that your gun does NOT have a round in chamber, that gives you a second to react to the thug who is assuming he has a ready-to-fire gun. If you know it DOES have a round in chamber, are you ready and strong enough to wrestle it from him?

Which kind of condition do you want your gun to be in if someone else grabs it? Again, just something to think about.

[Grumpy Old Man]

Originally Posted by GB-335xiCoupe

Interesting conversation you guys have been having. I just read the last page or so of this thread.

The whole controversy of carrying one in the pipe, condition 1 condition 2, etc... can be an endless debate. I feel like most of you do, that the number one safety is your brain. Regardless of the firearm, condition, situation etc.


I've been shooting guns since I was 7, and I'm 47 now. Never had an AD either. But it could certainly happen.

One side that people usually don't think of as far as having a chambered round: Someone else grabbing your gun.

If you are in a situation (obviously unpredictable) such as a robbery in a bank or restaurant, even a carjacking... The bad guys might be looking for CCW people carrying guns within the restaurant, bank, car. Yes, you can lay low, waiting for the right moment to make your move, you could wait for the right moment to NOT make a move, etc.

But if the BG is actively looking for someone carrying a gun and grabs yours - what is he going to do with it? Is he going to try to shoot you with it? Is it going to go click or bang? You know the condition your gun is in. He doesn't. That is to your advantage.

If you know that your gun does NOT have a round in chamber, that gives you a second to react to the thug who is assuming he has a ready-to-fire gun. If you know it DOES have a round in chamber, are you ready and strong enough to wrestle it from him?

Which kind of condition do you want your gun to be in if someone else grabs it? Again, just something to think about.

Again, this comes down to practice and training. Gun retention is a thing. I've had two gun grabs done on me. This is a fight for your life, still always would keep one in the chamber. If you're losing the battle then give them the gun, one piece at a time and at about 1100 FPS. Seriously there is no right answer. And the point you raise is a valid one. If you're carrying a gun with an external safety do they know how to work it? Also, if you're carrying CCW, how do they know you're carrying? I think in the situation you're describing you are actually hoping for the element of surprise.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

First, great post GB-335xiCoupe.

This discussion on condition is relevant to something I recently noticed in a local Metro-NY nightly news show. They played a CCTV video of some guys robbing a jewelry store in Manhattan. The one perpetrator pulls out his pistol and racks it. I thought it was really odd that a guy pulling a gun in a jewelry store robbery wouldn't have kept one in the chamber. 🤷🏻*♂️