[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by RM7

This is an enthusiast site.


WTH are you even taking about?

Um... it's a BMW forum.

Reread my prior post and take your fan Boi approach out of you comprehension.

[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Hate to break it to you, no one cares if car A is one car length faster than car B. It doesn't f-cking matter. People will buy what ever car they want, not based on boring ass roll racing.

Lol yet your opinion is significantly in the minority.

People buy fast cars for one major reason..... knowing they can if needed.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

What are you talking about? For the first time with the C8 it's created a cross generational conversation with "younger" generations. According to Chevy the new generation has also created a bigger draw to higher income earners. Yet despite all this increase the corvette still draws a more "seasoned" buyer that's looking for the exotic appearance and not the exotic price. I give Chevy credit for this. Yet tell since you're an expert, would you rather have a ZL1-1LE or a C8..... I mean after all the ZL1-1LE is much more well rounded and "purpose built" and stomps the C8s dick in the sand while roll racing and off the dig.

People buy the C8 for looks, not for what it can or can't do..... not sure why people get so butt hurt at this factual observation.

I just laugh at all the comments pumping up its performance when all the data out is identical to how dodge claimed cars like my Demon can run a 9.56 from the factory. Yet th planets were perfectly aligned that day and while yes it can run a 9 sec 1/4 it's work to learn the car to get it to that point.

Wait... Come on man, a Garage Queen? LOL. "Buy the C8 for looks". LOL. Your Demon is based on a platform dating from 2005 that uses Mercedes Benz-derived components from the S-class platform from a decade before that. And the current face-lift Challenger design still practically mirrors the 1st Gen design from 1970. Any person of age who is in an economic position to buy a Demon is 70 years old and would crack a vertebra launching it at 1.8G. LOL

The C8 is an entirely new mid-engine platform (2021) from GM that is as fast or faster than the cars in its class (i.e. ones that go fast around a road course racetrack) while offered at a significant price advantage.

And speaking of garage queens... this is hardly a garage fit for a queen; it's a rental storage locker.

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Wait... Come on man, a Garage Queen? LOL. "Buy the C8 for looks". LOL. Your Demon is based on a platform dating from 2005 that uses Mercedes Benz-derived components from the S-class platform from a decade before that. And the current face-lift Challenger design still practically mirrors the 1st Gen design from 1970. Any person of age who is in an economic position to buy a Demon is 70 years old and would crack a vertebra launching it at 1.8G. LOL

The C8 is an entirely new (i.e. 2021) mid-engine platform from GM that is as fast or faster than the cars in its class (i.e ones that go fast around a road course racetrack) while offered at a significant price advantage.

And speaking of garage queens... this is hardly a garage fit for a queen; it's a rental storage locker.

So Many of the chargers/hellcat/ scat pack/392 blah blah blah. That are like Mustangs now. See one every 3 minutes. Loud as fuck and slow as shit. Even the 6 cylinder ones they make loud as balls. I have yet to see a Demon on the road, but would love to when I'm in the GTR. I raced a Hellcat a few months ago in the F-82 and the dude could not grip for shit. 40 roll was not happening for him. We went from 60 and still couldn't beat me. Things are bland as hell.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by SickGTR

So Many of the chargers/hellcat/ scat pack/392 blah blah blah. That are like Mustangs now. See one every 3 minutes. Loud as fuck and slow as shit. Even the 6 cylinder ones they make loud as balls. I have yet to see a Demon on the road, but would love to when I'm in the GTR. I raced a Hellcat a few months ago in the F-82 and the dude could not grip for shit. 40 roll was not happening for him. We went from 60 and still couldn't beat me. Things are bland as hell.

But even Ford styled the current Mustang distant from the 1960's versions while still retaining the Mustang theme in modern form. Anyone who recognizes a 2020 Challenger is a Hippy-era codger, retired on a limited income.

[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Wait... Come on man, a Garage Queen? LOL. "Buy the C8 for looks". LOL. Your Demon is based on a platform dating from 2005 that uses Mercedes Benz-derived components from the S-class platform from a decade before that. And the current face-lift Challenger design still practically mirrors the 1st Gen design from 1970. Any person of age who is in an economic position to buy a Demon is 70 years old and would crack a vertebra launching it at 1.8G. LOL

The C8 is an entirely new (i.e. 2021) mid-engine platform from GM that is as fast or faster than the cars in its class (i.e ones that go fast around a road course racetrack) while offered at a significant price advantage.

And speaking of garage queens... this is hardly a garage fit for a queen; it's a rental storage locker.

Lmfao! Dude the Demon motor is literally a race motor and shares very little with anything including hellcat motors. 2 completely different motors and internals. I bought my Demon at 31yrs old and it's now worth $60k more than I paid and growing. Collectibles usually get garaged and FCA included every in the crate to not only race, but to store as a collectors piece.

ZR1 is a collectors corvette, not the C8. Not saying it's intended for such just a point of reference. I know 4 ppl with C8s and yes they have market appeal clearly. I'm only speaking on their performance. All Chevy had going for them was HD trucks and SUVs while their cars were struggling. Here's food for thought I have a good friend who's a GM for one of the largest Chevrolet dealers in Houston and he drives a Porsche while he could have any C8 he could get in the dealership. Being they have literally a whole building dedicated to Corvettes inventory isn't an issue for them. It's a lifeline Chevy needed. The Z06 V8 though is marketing at its best.

And yes, it took talent to get that lift in one of my spare garages like that. Fit like a glove with the M8GC on top.

[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by SickGTR

So Many of the chargers/hellcat/ scat pack/392 blah blah blah. That are like Mustangs now. See one every 3 minutes. Loud as fuck and slow as shit. Even the 6 cylinder ones they make loud as balls. I have yet to see a Demon on the road, but would love to when I'm in the GTR. I raced a Hellcat a few months ago in the F-82 and the dude could not grip for shit. 40 roll was not happening for him. We went from 60 and still couldn't beat me. Things are bland as hell.

Yes they are. My 1khp E85 TRX goes 0-60 in 2.5sec with 35s thanks to AWD which they truly should've made an AWD Hellcat Charger. On 33s the 0-60 increase to 2.7, but breaks through the 1/4 at 9.8-9.92.

Hellcats are under tire'd from the factory and frankly their own power can break their driveline components.

The Hellcat/392/Scat scene these days isn't what FCA intended their market to be. Thanks to cultural music.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

Lmfao! Dude the Demon motor is literally a race motor and shares very little with anything including hellcat motors. 2 completely different motors and internals. I bought my Demon at 31yrs old and it's now worth $60k more than I paid and growing. Collectibles usually get garaged and FCA included every in the crate to not only race, but to store as a collectors piece.

ZR1 is a collectors corvette, not the C8. Not saying it's intended for such just a point of reference. I know 4 ppl with C8s and yes they have market appeal clearly. I'm only speaking on their performance. All Chevy had going for them was HD trucks and SUVs while their cars were struggling. Here's food for thought I have a good friend who's a GM for one of the largest Chevrolet dealers in Houston and he drives a Porsche while he could have any C8 he could get in the dealership. Being they have literally a whole building dedicated to Corvettes inventory isn't an issue for them. It's a lifeline Chevy needed. The Z06 V8 though is marketing at its best.

And yes, it took talent to get that lift in one of my spare garages like that. Fit like a glove with the M8GC on top.

So, all the bragging about 9-second quarter mile times, and 0 - 60 times (without roll out!) is just pissing in the wind, since your Demon is in storage. LOL.

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

Yes they are. My 1khp E85 TRX goes 0-60 in 2.5sec with 35s thanks to AWD which they truly should've made an AWD Hellcat Charger. On 33s the 0-60 increase to 2.7, but breaks through the 1/4 at 9.8-9.92.

Hellcats are under tire'd from the factory and frankly their own power can break their driveline components.

The Hellcat/392/Scat scene these days isn't what FCA intended their market to be. Thanks to cultural music.

It's a shame the American car companies can't figure out a way to get an AWD something out there. They just love sticking to their big horsepower 265 wide tire RWD crap:-) maybe the ZR-1 hybrid will be!! That would be insane

[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

So, all the bragging about 9-second quarter mile times, and 0 - 60 times (without roll out!) is just pissing in the wind, since your Demon is in storage. LOL.

You're so desperate to try and spin my words You're not even seeing You're own hypocrisy. Dude I literally said like 5 posts back FCA claimed #s are shit too and not real world repeatedable. Demon isn't in storage, I gladly rotate between 6 different vehicles since each need love. Demon only has 3300 miles on it though. Which is like 2k more than most out there. Highest mile one I saw recently sell was on ebay with 19k miles and went for $130k.

[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by SickGTR

It's a shame the American car companies can't figure out a way to get an AWD something out there. They just love sticking to their big horsepower 265 wide tire RWD crap:-) maybe the ZR-1 hybrid will be!! That would be insane

A Hybrid would be phenomenal. I hate exotics passionate, but look forward to seeing what Lamborghini does with the Aventador as an answer to the SF90 for the exact same hybrid reasons you speak.

I honestly don't understand the lack of AWD either. There's a part of me that thinks it's largely associated with the politics that are tied into our vehicles emissions as most AWD applications have very low MPG when combined with a large displacement V8. The Hellcat Durango we had for like 1100 miles was an absolute cactus and soaked up every tank. My wife was filling it 2-3x a week. 7mpg AWD 707hp.... I hated it.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

You're so desperate to try and spin my words You're not even seeing You're own hypocrisy. Dude I literally said like 5 posts back FCA claimed #s are shit too and not real world repeatedable. Demon isn't in storage, I gladly rotate between 6 different vehicles since each need love. Demon only has 3300 miles on it though. Which is like 2k more than most out there. Highest mile one I saw recently sell was on ebay with 19k miles and went for $130k.

I'm trying to figure out why you are so much thread-crapping about the C8. You act like your Demon is more legitimate of a car than the C8 Corvette. I'd say the C8 is more of wide-focus performance automobile than a Demon. The Demon is a single-focus model solely built to drag race and it's based on a seriously aged platform spawned from the 2005 Chrysler 300M.

For as the high-level performance the C8 and C8Z (will) offer, they are usable daily drivers that the owner can enjoy both for street use and track use. You say stupid shit like the C8 is a Garage Queen and bought just for looks, and tracking a car is not the mainstream. You know that's just a load of crap.

[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I'm trying to figure out why you are so much thread-crapping about the C8. You act like your Demon is more legitimate of a car than the C8 Corvette. I'd say the C8 is more of wide-focus performance automobile than a Demon. The Demon is a single-focus model solely built to drag race and it's based on a seriously aged platform spawned from the 2005 Chrysler 300M.

For as the high-level performance the C8 and C8Z (will) offer, they are usable daily drivers that the owner can enjoy both for street use and track use. You say stupid shit like the C8 is a Garage Queen and bought just for looks, and tracking a car is not the mainstream. You know that's just a load of crap.

Lol... amigo you're dilemma is you're not understanding what I have said.

CHEVY..... good marketing!

C8 design..... Fauxrarrri which is why it sells.

Tracking cars...... Not a huge American hobby.

High horsepower...... what sells cars.

C8 pricing...... high demand, delayed inventory. Many used ones available on market.

Demon..... out of your league.

C8..... outdated LS platform that's having its nuts chopped thanks to EPA.

C8..... should've taken notes from Porsche or BMW with a high revving lower displacement TT application.

Demon...... a purpose built limited production daily driver with ability to sit 5 passengers.

C8...... A car designed for budget friendly status acquisition while carrying your Chiweenie in the Frunk while you wear driving gloves for a 35mph trip to breakfast to meet the grandkids.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

Lmfao! Dude the Demon motor is literally a race motor

What series are they racing it in?

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

Lol... amigo you're dilemma is you're not understanding what I have said.

CHEVY..... good marketing!

C8 design..... Fauxrarrri which is why it sells.

Tracking cars...... Not a huge American hobby.

High horsepower...... what sells cars.

C8 pricing...... high demand, delayed inventory. Many used ones available on market.

Demon..... out of your league.

C8..... outdated LS platform that's having its nuts chopped thanks to EPA.

C8..... should've taken notes from Porsche or BMW with a high revving lower displacement TT application.

Demon...... a purpose built limited production daily driver with ability to sit 5 passengers.

C8...... A car designed for budget friendly status acquisition while carrying your Chiweenie in the Frunk while you wear driving gloves for a 35mph trip to breakfast to meet the grandkids.

Show me on this doll where the C8 touched you.

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by RM7

Show me on this doll where the C8 touched you.

Lol

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

Lol... amigo you're dilemma is you're not understanding what I have said.

CHEVY..... good marketing!

C8 design..... Fauxrarrri which is why it sells.

Tracking cars...... Not a huge American hobby.

High horsepower...... what sells cars.

C8 pricing...... high demand, delayed inventory. Many used ones available on market.

Demon..... out of your league.

C8..... outdated LS platform that's having its nuts chopped thanks to EPA.

C8..... should've taken notes from Porsche or BMW with a high revving lower displacement TT application.

Demon...... a purpose built limited production daily driver with ability to sit 5 passengers.

C8...... A car designed for budget friendly status acquisition while carrying your Chiweenie in the Frunk while you wear driving gloves for a 35mph trip to breakfast to meet the grandkids.

Trying to impress people via the intranet gains the same result as trying to insult them, neither works.

[mikado463]

Originally Posted by RM7

This is an enthusiast site.


WTH are you even taking about?

LOL, he has no clue. Doubt he's ever owned a Corvette let alone driven one. Posted some stupid video of a supercharged Camaro having a 'dig' against a N/A C8. Then he talks as if the ZO6 is going to be a 'dog'.

I suspect he's a disgruntled millennial ! As for the Camaro SS 1LE, a great car at and well above it's price point. My youngest son had one for a few years, don't know that there was anything under 50k to compete against it. Sold it back in '19 and bought a C7 GS........

[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by RM7

What series are they racing it in?

Lol. Nice try. Sorry to burst your bubble, but most people's definition of "racing" is not associated with turns.

Now do take the time to better understand what you don't.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/look-inside-dodge-demons-840hp-hemi/

The LS that's in the Corvette and Camaro is just as weekend warrior friendly as the Mopar motors. Hell some of the fastest street trucks are big Turbo LS based. I'll put money on it that the Z06 motor won't be able to handle boost similarly how the 6.4l SRT motor can't aswell.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

Lol. Nice try. Sorry to burst your bubble, but most people's definition of "racing" is not associated with turns.

Now do take the time to better understand what you don't.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/look...ns-840hp-hemi/

The LS that's in the Corvette and Camaro is just as weekend warrior friendly as the Mopar motors. Hell some of the fastest street trucks are big Turbo LS based. I'll put money on it that the Z06 motor won't be able to handle boost similarly how the 6.4l SRT motor can't aswell.

Oh, so the demon is not literally a "racing motor" then.

As in, the C8 Z06 engine really IS being used as a racing engine in a legitimate racing series. Since you said the demon was a racing motor, I thought it was because it was being proven in a race series...you know, the thing that makes it a racing motor?

[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by mikado463

LOL, he has no clue. Doubt he's ever owned a Corvette let alone driven one. Posted some stupid video of a supercharged Camaro having a 'dig' against a N/A C8. Then he talks as if the ZO6 is going to be a 'dog'.

I suspect he's a disgruntled millennial ! As for the Camaro SS 1LE, a great car at and well above it's price point. My youngest son had one for a few years, don't know that there was anything under 50k to compete against it. Sold it back in '19 and bought a C7 GS........

Nope driven 2 different actually. A friend's yellow ZR1 and my main roofers C8. Got to give the C8 credit for being more tall guy friendly. They're as I said alright and as I have stated repeatedly the C8 is fantastic marketing that Chevy needed.

As a side note, had the joys of driving an LMR built 2019 ZLI that on its smallest tune was making 900whp(1300hp at it's peak) and it was funny as hell to drive since it suffered the same struggle to hook most of the Mopars have. Not a fan of the Ford/GM love child A10 though.

I just don't understand why so many fan bois aren't understanding the GM published figures of 10.6 in the 1/4 are while nice and all, are easily achieved aswell by a freaking X3M on an E30 tune... and maybe a couple other bolt on.lol

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

I just don't understand why so many fan bois aren't understanding the GM published figures of 10.6 in the 1/4 are while nice and all, are easily achieved aswell by a freaking X3M on an E30 tune... and maybe a couple other bolt on.lol

Because it's literally just you that's obsessed with straight line performance.

That's why you don't understand. It's like you are totally incapable of understanding why someone would buy a miata, or a cayman, or a C8.

People can buy a lot of other cars for the cost of a demon. What you really need to be asking yourself is, why do they? If you can figure it out, you will have answered your own question.